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Maria PUTTER, b9c3

Maria PUTTER, b9c3

Female 1730 - Bef 1773  (~ 42 years)

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Maria PUTTER, b9c3 was christened on 15 Oct 1730 (daughter of Jan (Johannes) Lodewyk PUTTER, b9 and Anna VAN DER SWAAN, b1); died before May 1773 in Cape, South Africa.

    Maria married Frans KRUGER, b3 on 29 Oct 1752 in Cape, South Africa. Frans (son of Jacob KRUGER, a2 and Johanna (Jannetje) KEMP, b1) was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 20 Aug 1719 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died on 27 Aug 1781 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Jan (Johannes) Lodewyk PUTTER, b9 was born about 1696 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1696 (son of Diederik PUTTER (POTTER), a1 and Zacharias (Zachararayda) VISSER, a4b5); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    !Birth: De Villiers Pama, p743 & 441 b9 & B7

    Jan married Anna VAN DER SWAAN, b1 in 1726 in Cape, South Africa. Anna (daughter of Gerrit VAN DER SWAAN, progenitor and Agnitie CAMPHER, b2) was born in 1706; was christened on 20 Jun 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 24 May 1778 in Land van Waveren, Cape, South Africa (Tulbagh). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Anna VAN DER SWAAN, b1 was born in 1706; was christened on 20 Jun 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Gerrit VAN DER SWAAN, progenitor and Agnitie CAMPHER, b2); died on 24 May 1778 in Land van Waveren, Cape, South Africa (Tulbagh).

    Notes:

    !Birth: De Villiers Pama P 947 b1

    Died:
    Will dated 14.4.1774 and filed 5.9.1778

    Children:
    1. Zacharia PUTTER, b9c1 was christened on 23 Sep 1725; died on 26 Oct 1794 in Roggeveld, Cape, South Africa.
    2. 1. Maria PUTTER, b9c3 was christened on 15 Oct 1730; died before May 1773 in Cape, South Africa.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Diederik PUTTER (POTTER), a1 was born about 1656 in Zierenberg, Hessen-Kassel, Netherlands; was christened on 23 Aug 1665; died in 1699 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Hunter. Member of Cape community before 1676.

    Volgens Pama II soms ook Potter gespel. Was van Zierenberg in Hesse-Kassel afkomstig. Was 'n jagter en word genoem as lid van die Kaapse gemeenskap voor 1676.

    http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I069.html
    In the muster roll of free people taken at the Cape in 1692 his name is given as 'Diederick Janse Potter' but this Janse appears in none of the other muster rolls.

    He and Zacharia are listed in the muster rolls from 1686 (I believe there are earlier references) until 1698. Then, in 1700, she is listed as the widow of Diederik Putter.

    His children are listed as given in the inventory drawn up after his death in May 1699.

    At his death he is listed with a house and land on the height called Roodebloem and a farm with buildings situated in the Tijgerbergen.

    Roodebloem, 17 morgen in extent, lay at the foot of the Windberg in the Tafel Vallei and had been granted 31 March 1669. It was sold out of his estate on 1st August 1705 with adjoining grazing land rented from the Company. (MOOC 9/1/20, Koopconditien)

    The farm in the Tygerberg was sold in 1714 to Hendrik Bouman and his estate was distributed to his heirs in 1716.
    !BIRTH-MAR-DEATH:Hendrik Jooste Registers;Putter

    GEBORE-TROU-STERF:De Villiers Pama;Bls 743

    !Birth: De Villiers Pama, p743 A
    SAG vol 8 page 513

    29.10.1679 trou "Diederick Potter (sic) van Surenbergh jonghman vrij wiltschut en Zacharia Visser van de Cabo de Boa Esperance." Hy word reeds as jagter aan die Kaap genoem op 31.7.1673 (Joernaal).
    Diederik Putter born Surenbergh died circa 1699

    Notes:
    In the muster roll of free people taken at the Cape in 1692 his name is given as 'Diederick Janse Potter' but this Janse appears in none of the other muster rolls. At his death he is listed with a house and land on the height called Roodebloem and a farm with buildings situated in the Tijgerbergen. He and Zacharia are listed in the muster rolls from 1686 (I believe there are earlier references) until 1698. Then, in 1700, she is listed as the widow of Diederik Putter. His estate does not seem to have been distributed to his childeren until 1716, however, his farm in the Tygerberg having been sold in 1714 to Hendrik Bouman. His children are listed as given in the inventory drawn up after his death in May 1699.
    married 29 October 1679 at Cape Town Zacharia Jansz Visser circa 1667-circa 1721 of the farm, de Blomkooltje, Paarl


    Van Zierenberg, in Hesse-Kassel, jagter, genoem as lid van die Kaapse gemeenskap voor 1676.

    Birth:
    Alternative location: Surenbergh

    Diederik married Zacharias (Zachararayda) VISSER, a4b5 on 29 Oct 1679 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Zacharias (daughter of Jan Coenraad VISSER, a4 and Margaretha (Geertjen) GERRITS) was born in in Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 28 Aug 1665 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in 1722 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Zacharias (Zachararayda) VISSER, a4b5 was born in in Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 28 Aug 1665 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Jan Coenraad VISSER, a4 and Margaretha (Geertjen) GERRITS); died in 1722 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Pama has her as b2. (Pama Vol 3). A note written in the copy at the Mowbray Family History Library adds an older sister, Maria Jansz quoting Familia 1981 No 1 Page 8.

    The year of birth in Heese Vol 4 (under Krugel) is a bit early. It would make her over 50 at the birth of her first son Hendrik although there is no date of marriage with Andreas's second wife given. It is possible that Zacharia never had any children with Andreas Krugel.

    S W le Roux has 23/8/1665.

    b5 ZACHARIAS VISSER - het ook met haar moeder in 1662 by die Kaap aangekom, gedoop Aug 23/28, 1665 in Kaapstad. Sy sterwe 1721.
    Sy was drie keer getrou:X 29 Okt 1679 Dietrich PUTTER, XX c 1701 Johannes BASSON en XXX 5 Jul 1706 Andries KRUGEL.

    Toe sy en Andries Krugel hulle gemeentlike testament op 24 Junie 1713 opgestel het, word sy so beskrywe:

    Zackaria Jansz Visser Siekelijk te bedde leggende oud ses en veertigh jaaren gebooren aan Cabo de Goede Hoop. Dit kan 'n fout wees maar, saam met haar doopdatum wat julle (ek het dit nie self gesien nie) aangee as Kaap 23/28 Aug 1665, dan glo ek liewer dat sy aan die Kaap gebore is.

    Toe sy met Andries Krugel op Stellenbos trou, word dit so opgeskrywe: 1706, Jul 05 Andries Kryger van Nurenberg jongm. met Zacharia Janse Visser wede. Diederik Putter so neem ek aan dat sy nie met Johannes Basson getroud was nie, al het hulle 'n kind, Arnoldus Basson gedoop, gehad.

    Weduwee van Diederik Putter en Johannes Basson

    http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/kfp/I069.html
    She and her husband are listed in the muster rolls of free people at the Cape from 1686 (I believe there are earlier references) until 1698 but, for some reason I have not yet discovered, she is always listed as Zacharia Wagenaar. In her will of 1713 her name is given as 'Zackaria Jansz Visser' and her eight children by Diderik Putter are listed.

    Her children are listed as given in the inventory drawn up after the death of Diederik Putter in May 1699, her own will of 1713 and the inventory drawn up after her own death in April 1722.

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alternative location: Cape Town.

    Children:
    1. Margaretha PUTTER, b1 was christened on 1 Dec 1680 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Anna Catharina PUTTER, b2 was christened on 11 Jul 1683 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died before 1716 in Cape, South Africa.
    3. Jannetje PUTTER, b3 was christened on 18 Nov 1685 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    4. Elsie PUTTER was born on 21 Mar 1688; and died.
    5. Susanna PUTTER, b5 was christened on 25 Jun 1690 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Geertruy PUTTER, b6 was christened on 14 Sep 1692 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    7. Alida PUTTER, b7 was christened on 5 Sep 1694 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died about 1715 in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Maria PUTTER, b8 was born in 1696 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 21 Jul 1696 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    9. 2. Jan (Johannes) Lodewyk PUTTER, b9 was born about 1696 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1696; died in in Cape, South Africa.

  3. 6.  Gerrit VAN DER SWAAN, progenitor was born about 1680 in Netherlands; died in 1709 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Kom vanaf Nederland

    Gerrit married Agnitie CAMPHER, b2 on 5 Sep 1705 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Agnitie (daughter of Lorenz CAMPHER, progenitor and Ansela VAN DIE KAAP) was born about 1684 in Netherlands; died after 1740 in 'Elandskloof'. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Agnitie CAMPHER, b2 was born about 1684 in Netherlands (daughter of Lorenz CAMPHER, progenitor and Ansela VAN DIE KAAP); died after 1740 in 'Elandskloof'.

    Notes:

    Joachim trou vir 'n tweede keer op 31 Mei 1733 in Stellenbosch met Anthoinetta CAMPHER, die dogter van Lorenz Campher en Ansela Hanselaar. Sy is in circa 1690 gebore en sterf in 1735 op die plaas Elandskloof.

    Children:
    1. 3. Anna VAN DER SWAAN, b1 was born in 1706; was christened on 20 Jun 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 24 May 1778 in Land van Waveren, Cape, South Africa (Tulbagh).


Generation: 4

  1. 10.  Jan Coenraad VISSER, a4 was born about 1633 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands; died in Jul 1718 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Jan Coenraad VISSER gebore c 1633 trou c 1653 met Geertjen GERRITS. Hy land in 1657 met die skip Dort aan die Kaap. Jan Coenraad word 'n vrykneg twee jaar nadat hy by die Kaap aangekom het. Hy versoek dat sy vrou na die Kaap kan kom en sy arriveer aan die Kaap met vyf kinders in 1662.

    Hy was ook bekend as Jan Groff, 'n mens wonder watter einskappe hy gehad het om hierdie bynaam te gekry het?

    In die Resolusies van die Kaap is daar die volgende verwysing -
    http://tanap.amtex.nl/_xml/
    Dingsdagh den 28e December 1717, voormiddagh. Huijden 24e December 1717 compareerde voor mij, Willem van Taack, eerstegeswoore clercq ter Polliticque Secretarije alhier aan Cabo de Goede Hoop, in presentje van de naer te noemene getuijgen, den vrijburger Hendrik Coster, [2] van competenten ouderdom, dewelke verklaarde terrequisitie van Maria van Brakel, wede. wijlen Jacob Louw, hoe waar endewaaragtigh is dat hij in den jaare 1668 bij den burger Jan Pietersz.Louw, [3] in de wandelingh Broertjen gent., als knegt sigh verhuurthebbende, in de tijd dat aldaar heeft gewoont hem door sijn baas is aangewesen geworden seker stuk lands, groot sestigh morgen, door denselven van Jan Coenraadsz. Visscher gecogt, strekkende van zijn eijgenplaats langs de Liesbeeks Rivier opwaarts aan, het welke als doen ookgeheel beploegt is geweest, dat voorne. Broertje hem compt. mede heeftgesegt de fontain die tegenwoordigh in 't land van Hans Casper Geringergemeten is, ook de zijne te wesen, met bijvoegingh dat wel wenstedeselve nader aan zijn oude land mogte leggen, soo dat den compt.volgens bovengesegde aanwijsingh voor seker betuijgt dat alle 't geenesedert na die kant van Jan Dirksz. de Beer [4] is toegevoegt, zijnengewesen baas Jan Pietersz. Louw opgem. heeft toebehoort, verklarende dencompt. wijders niet meer, gevende voor redenen van wetenschap als in dentext, met belofte om zijne depositie, des noods zijnde, met solemneele
    ede nader te willen gestand doen.


    Du Plooy.paf: Van Ommen in Nederland in 1657. Hy was 'n soldaat en prediker. Burger 30.9.1659. In 1662 het sy vrou en vyf kinders by hom aangesluit in die Kaap. Sy vrou is in 1692 oorlede. In 1696 het hy belowe om die slavin, Maria van Bengale, vry te stel met haar drie kinders, wat die jong Susanna (3 jaar oud) insluit, as hy tot sterwe kom. Hy sterf November 1710. Susanna was ' n jong dame en het reeds by Hans Heinrich Hattingh as 'n slaaf gewerk/gebly.

    From: 'Precis of the Archives of the Cape of Good Hope: Letters and documents Received 1649-1662' Part 11
    Letter from Delft dated 30.11.1660 p.164: "From our ships' books we found that the two following persons have become free men at the Cape, who, when they left, had incurred considerable debt for their outfit, which, however, they had not communicated to their creditors, viz., Jan Coenraadt Visscher of Eemnes (?), [Nota- dit is Leibbrandt se vraagteken] soldier from the Dort, who left Patria in 1657, was on the 8th May, 1658 drafted on shore as hunter, and made freeman on the 30th September, 1659. He still owes Maria Jansz here f93.9." Nie van belang nie, maar ter inligting...die ander persoon na wie hier verwys word was Jan Jansz van Munster.

    Die skip waarna hier verwys word was die Dordrecht wat aan die Kamer van Delft behoort het en wat Goeree op 17 Desember, 1657 verlaat het onder kapteinskap van Jacob Croon, junior koopman Jacobus Verburch en fiskaal Casembroot. Sy het die Kaap 28 April, 1658 bereik en haar vaart na Batavia hervat op 13 Mei, 1658. (Journal of Jan van Riebeeck, vol 11 p.261 ed. H B Thom)

    Uit Letters and Documents Received (from Amsterdam dated 19 September, 1661)
    p.183 (eerste verwysing): "At your request we have granted a passage to one or two wives whose husbands are at the Cape, subject to the usual condition to remain there fifteen years. The wife of Jan Coenraetsz we have given f25 for her outfit which you may recover there.' P.S. These three vessels (Malacca &c.) take back to you three stowaways whom you are to treat according to the sentence passed on them by the court here. "Die Malacca het Vlie 3 Oktober 1661 verlaat en het die Kaap 4 Februarie 1662 bereik. (Sien Van Riebeeck se Joernaal vir laaste datum). Die ander twee skepe was die Amersfoort en Wapen van Amsterdam.

    Monsterrolle vir 1664 gee Jan en Grietje aan met 3 kinders. ?Gerrit, Geesje en Coenraad. Maria was waarskynlik reeds getroud.
    Monsterrolle vir 1666/7 is daar 5 kinders (Gerrit, Geesje, Coenraad, Zacharia en Johannes?)

    My eie vermoede is dat Grietje Jans met slegs drie kinders Kaap toe gekom het en dat die ander kinders in die Kaap gebore is.

    Die Vissers lewer beslis probleme op. W.H.J. Hattingh skryf hieroor in "Die Hattingh-Familie in Suid-Afrika: "Franken (1956) toon aan dat Jan Coenraad (ook Grof genoem) die Kaap gedurende 1657 as "n soldaat aan boort die Dort vanaf Delft bereik en twee jaar later 'n vrykneg word. Jan Coenraad rig 'n versoek tot die Owerhede dat sy vrou en kinders hulle by hom mag aansluit en sodoende arriveer sy vrou en vyf kinders gedurende 1661/62 aan die Kaap" (bl. 32) en verder: "Die egpaar Visser moes heelwaarskynlik vanaf 1650 getroud gewees het want hulle het vyf kinders gehad voordat Jan Coenraad gedurende 1657 na die Kaap vertrek. Jan en sy vrou doop nog 'n verdere 3 kinders aan die Kaap wat dus 'n totaal van agt kinders vir hierdie egpaar gee. Dit is opvallend dat daar net sekerheid is oor een van die vyf kinders wat in Nederland gebore is. Wat het van die ander 4 kinders geword?" (bl. 33) Volgens Hattingh (bl. 37) is stamvader Jan Coenraad se kinders soos volg:
    b1 Maria, *c. 1652 Ommen, x Willem Willemsen (van Deventer), xx c.1691 Lambert Simonsz Stam. (Sy het ook nog twee kinders by Ockert Corneliszoon Olivier tydens Willem se verbanning uit die kaap gehad).
    b2 Geesje, *c.1654 Ommen?, x 12.7.1671 Hendrik Gysbertz Verschuur, xx 26.12.1694 Dirk Gysbert Verwey.
    b3 Gerrit Jansz, *c.1657 Ommen x Kaap 4.8.1675 Jannetje Thielemans
    b4 Coenraad (Jansz), ~ Kaap 8.4.1663, x 5 8 1685 Catharina Everts
    b5 Zacharias, ~28.8.1665 x 29.10.1679 Dietrich Putter, xx 5.7.1706 Andreas Krugel. (eintlik was haar 2de huwelik (c.1701) met Johannes Basson en dus die 3de met Krugel, SAG Vol 4, bl. 480)
    b6 Johannes (Jansz), ~16.1.1667, x 8.5.1689 Catharina (Jansz) van der Zee. Die eerste drie kinders is nie 'n probleem nie. Hulle is duidelik in Nederland gebore (c.1652,c.1654 en c.1657 onderskeidelik) voor hulle vader se aankoms aan die Kaap in 1657 en kom saam met hulle moeder in die Kaap aan in 1661/62. Hoe en wanneer die ander twee, Coenraad en Zacharias, voor 1657 in Nederland gebore kon wees, in 1662 saam met hulle moeder in die Kaap kan aankom maar in 1665 en 1667 onderskeidelik eers aan die Kaap gedoop word, is die raaisel. Dit lyk of die twee eerder aan die Kaap gebore kon wees. Nou wie was dan die ander twee van die 5 kinders uit Nederland? Mens wonder of 2 kinders dalk vroeg dood is of na Nederland teruggekeer het en selfs of die "5" kinders wat van Nederland af saamgekom het nie 'n "3" is wat verkeerd gelees word nie? Verder lei mens af dat Jan Coenraad Visser die volgende kinders verwek het by Maria van Bengale (van de Cust Cormandel/van Negapatnam):
    b7 Antonie, ~20.4.1692
    b8 Susanna, ~ as Sara, 30.10.1695
    b9 Jacob, ~12.1.1696
    b10 Pieter, ~21.4.1697
    b11 Maria, ~28.6.1699
    Dit is oor laasgenoemde Maria wat ek en Mark Baker gekorrespondeer het. Hy het my laat twyfel of ek reg was om te sê dat sy getroud was met Burgert Pieter van Dyk; dat hy eerder getroud was met Maria Visser d.v. b3 hierbo, (DvP, Vol. II, bl. 1065). Om sake verder te kompliseer sien ek nou dat SAG Vol 2, bl. 146 s?Burgert was getroud met "Maria Visser d.v JOHANNES Visser en Maria van Negapatnam". Terwyl daar nou reeds verwarring was of Jan Coenraad Visser of sy seun b4 Coenraad Jansz kinders gehad het by Maria, hoop ek nie dat b6 Johannes ook by haar kinders gehad het en dat die arme vrou 'n soort van "broeimasjien" sommer vir pa en seuns Visser was nie! Ek is geneig om te "restore" en te dink Burgert se vrou, Maria Visser was b11 hierbo. Die Johannes in SAG is moontlik 'n skryffout.

    Alt Birth: Abt 1639 Ammeren, Holland

    From: geraw
    To:
    Subject: [GenForum] VISSER GENEALOGIE (Lucas Rinken)
    Date: 29 December 2001 05:07

    Beste Lucas, Ek was weg gewees en kon weens my heen-en-weer ganery nie al my aandag aan jou briewe bestee nie. Maar nou is die gees weer helder en kan ons kyk waar ons informasie ooreenstem, en kan ek ook dalk by jou die een of ander bietjie data verkry, wat ek nie vantevore op my familie-geskiedenis gehad het nie. Ons is mos daar om mekaar te help, waar ons kan, nie waar nie? Weet jy, ek het nou weer na jou skrywe van 6 Desember gekyk en wil graag ook hieroor koukus. Kom ons gesels eers oor jou twee stamvaders, Jan Coenraad VISSER en Gerrit Jansz VISSER, albei vanaf Ommen, in Nederland. As jy sê dat jy vir Jan Coenraad VISSER as a2 het, sou ek baie graag wil weet wie sy broers en susters is, en wie sy ouers was. Weet jy dalk? Maar volgens FHC Fisches is Jan Coenraad VISSER * 1635. Hy bereik ged. 1657 Kaap de Goede Hoop, as soldaat aan boord van die "Dort" wat vanaf Delft in Nederland geseil het. Hy vertrek weer terug na Nederland, waar hy in die huwelik tree (1658), met Geertjen (Margaretha) GERRITS, *1636, Hardenberg, Nederland. Jan, oorspronklik afkomstig vanaf Ommen in Overyssel, Nederland, laat nie gras onder sy voete groei nie, en besluit om te emigreer na Suid-Afrika. (Dit is meer as drie eeue gelede.) Hy word op 30 September 1659 in die Vryheidsbrief beskrywe as "Soldaat by die Fort" Hierdie brief stel hom in staat om hom as burger in Rondebosch te vestig. Volgens die verslag in Jan van Riebeeck se Joernaal, September 1660, page 255, Jan van Riebeeck Journal, Vol 111, 1659 - 1662, het Jan se gegewe plaas kort voor lank tekens van agteruitgang begin toon en het hy al hoe dieper in die skuld beland by die Kompanjie, sodanig dat hy vasgevat moes word. Hy is onder toesig van die "Company's farming super-intendent, Cruijthoff", geplaas. Gedurende 1662 ar. sy vrou, Geertjen (Margaretha) GERRITS, en hulle twee kinders, wat in Hardenberg, Nederland gebore is, Volgens FHC Fiches was Gezina (Geesje/Gesina Jansz) Visser,* ong. 1656, die oudste kind, en die tweede oudste dogter was Maria Jansz VISSER = 1659 Nederland. Jan Coenraad VISSER beweer op 18 Des 1662 dat hy 5 kinders het (Franken, 1956) Miskien was dit Geertjen se tydige aankoms en die aanmoediging van Cruijthoff wat veroorsaak het dat Jan die hande uit die moue begin steek het, want gedurende die loop van 1663 geluk dit hom om 42 mud graan te produseer. As gevolg daarvan word hy toe beskryf as een van die mees belangrike graanboere van sy tyd in die Kaap! Maar Jan het ook met veë geboer en moes verskeie kere opdok en boete betaal na die Hof hom skuldig bevind het aan onwettige ruilhandel met die Hottentotte. Daar was ook ander aksies waarvoor Jan in die Hof moes verskyn. (Verskeie Hofsaak-besonderhede in my argiewe) Gedurende Maart 1692, word Jan Coenraad se vrou deur 'n slaaf vermoor (Franken, 1956). Daar is geen bewys dat hy weer getroud is nie, maar in die tydperk 1690 tot 1700 doop 'n Jan Coenraad VISSER 'n hele paar kinders aan die Kaap. Jan Coenraad VISSER se tweede oudste dogter, Maria Jansz VISSER, raak verlief op hulle buurman, Willem WILLEMSZ, vanaf Deventer, Gelderland, Nederland. Hoewel hulle twee in 1671 getroud is, kan daar tot dusver geen huweliksregistrasie in die Kaapse Huweliksboek opgespoor word nie. Volgens navorsing deur Wyle Johan C. van Deventer (Die laaste artikel voor sy dood) gepubliseer in Familia, Vol 36 van 1999, asook 'n artikel in standpunte van Oktober/November 1956, geskryf deur Wyle dr. J.L.M. Franken, vervolgens: Van Deventer beweer dat Dina die oudste kind en dogter van Willem Willemse en Maria Jansz VISSER was, wat op Mauritius gewoon het. Wyle Dr. Franken se artikel bevestig dat Van Deventer, asook J.P.J. van Vuren se mening dat Maria Jansz VISSER, vrou van WILLEMSE, die oudste dogter van Jan Coenraad VISSER was. Visser het reeds in 1657 na die Kaap gekom, maar sy vrou en kinders het in Nederland agtergebly. Volgens die Fiche inligting van The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is die oudste dogter nie Maria nie, maar wel Gezina, wat op 12 Julie 1671 Kaapstad in die huwelik tree met Hendrik VERSCHUUR, van Amesfoort, Nederland.
    Kinders van Jan Coenraad VISSER:
    b1 Gezina VISSER * ong. 1656 (Nederland) x 12 Jul 1671 Kaapstad met Hendrik Gysbert VERSCHUUR, v Amesfoort, Nederland.
    b2 Maria Jansz VISSER = 1659 Nederland x 1671 Kaapstad met Willem WILLEMSE (1643) vanaf Deventer, Gelderland, Nederland.
    b3 Zacharias (Zacharya) Jansz VISSER * 1659 Nederland = 28 Aug 1665 Kaapstad, x 29 Okt 1679 Stellenbosch met (Dietrich POTTER) Diederick PUTTER (+ 1699 Kaapstad), stamvader van die Putter familie in Suid-Afrika. Sy xx (soos jy sê, 1701) met Johannes BASSON = 14 Jul 1661, xxx 5 Jul 1706 met Andreas KRUGEL, * 1675, ar. 1703 vanaf Tennenlohe (Tonellsby, Neurent) naby Neurenberg, as soldaat. Word kneg by Olaf BERGH en later boer te Paarl. Word eienaar van die plaas Weltevreden, naby Joostenberg. S.A. Argiefstukke Kaap No 7: Resolusies van die Politieke Raad, B.. 169.221.berig: Andries Krugel is in 1675 on Tennenlohe (Duitsland) gebore. Dus was hy ongeveer 16 jaar jonger as Zacharias VISSER. Hy het ged. 1703 as soldaat na die Kaap gekom, en was vanaf 1713 'n vryburger. Op 5-07-1706 is hy getroud met Zacharias Jansz VISSER (=1665, +1722). Na haar dood het hy hertrou met Maria RAS, die dogter van Nicolaas RAS en Maria van STADEN. Hy en Maria Ras is albei oorlede in 1734. (Sien MOOC 8/4, inventarissen 1720-1727, No 37, MOOC 8/5 Inventarissen 1727-1737, nos. 117 en 117.5, MOOC 7/3 Testamenten, 1721-1725, No 29; MOOC 10/4, Vendu Rollen, 1731-1738, No 124)
    b4 Coenraad Johannes VISSER * 8-04-1663 Stellenbosch = 16.01.1667 x 5 Aug 1689 Rondebosch met Catharina EVERTS van der Zee * 1671, op skip Europa gebore, geboorte te Rotterdam, Nederland geregistreer, d/v Cornelis EVERTS van der Zee. Catharina ar. 1687 vanaf Rotterdam. Coenraad en Catharina stel hulle testament op 15-11-1710.
    b5 Antoinetta VISSER * ong 1662 (Lekkerkerk, Kaap) x 15 Sep 1686 met Christoffel HENNING
    b6 Johannes VISSER = 16 Jan 1667, Kaapstad, x 8 Mei 1689 met Maria Catharina van der zee, * 1671 Rotterdam, Nederland, d/v Cornelis Everts van der zee.(Dit wil tog blyk of Maria en Catharina EVERTS 'n tweeling was, want Coenraad VISSER en Johannes VISSER se kinders se name verskil. (Lucas, kan jy dalk lig op die sakie werp?) Ek weet dat een van Johannes se kleinkinders, e1) Johannes VISSER, * ong 1740, x Elsie Sophia BRAND = 17 Jul 1746. Elsie xx Jacobus VISSER, = 4 Jan 1750 Kaapstad, s/v Gerrit VISSER (afstammeling van Gerrit Jansz VISSER) en Huibrecht SMIT. In my argiewe is hier egter 'n gaping. Kan jy vir my sê wie was die ouers van e1) Johannes VISSER * ong 1740? En wie was sy broers en susters?Gerrit Jansz VISSER, die ander stam-ouer, = 1660, Ommen, Nederland, s/v Jans VISSER, ar. 1670 vanaf Ommen, Overyssel, Nederland, x 4 Aug 1675 met Janetta (Jannetjie) Tielemans HENDRIKS *18-07-1660? (Hierdie moet haar geboortedatum wees, want die fiches van LDS gee haar doopdatum aan as 1662) (= 1662) , d/v Thielemans HENDRIKS (x 1660) en Mayken Hendriks van den BERG, van Diest in Brabant. (Mayken was die weduwee van Jacob THEUNIS) (Volgens die oorspronlklike trouboek was die name Gerrit Jansz VISSER en Jannetje THIELEMANS, gebore aan Cabe De Boa Esperancs)Laat my asseblief weet wat het jy alles van belang,om my argiewe ook op datum te kan bring..
    Groete van hier uit Gautengeleng, Gerda.


    Jan Coenraad VISSER gebore c 1633 trou c 1653 met Geertjen GERRITS. Hy land in 28 April 1658 met die skip Dordrecht aan die Kaap. Jan Coenraad word 'n vrykneg twee jaar nadat hy by die Kaap aangekom het. Hy versoek dat sy vrou na die Kaap kan kom en sy arriveer aan die Kaap met vyf kinders in 1662. Lorna Newcombe wys na die volgende verwysing van Leibbrandt se Precis of the Archives of the Cape ofGood Hope: Letters and documents Received 1649-1662' Deel 11: Letter from Delft dated 30.11.1660 p.164: "From our ships' books we found that the two following persons have become free men at the Cape, who, when they left, had incurred considerable debt for their outfit, which, however, they had not communicated to their creditors, viz., Jan Coenraadt Visscher of Eemnes (?), [Nota- dit is Leibbrandt se vraagteken] soldier from the Dort, who left Patria in 1657, was on the 8th May, 1658 drafted on shore as hunter, and made freeman on the 30th September, 1659.

    Jan, a soldier from the Dort, arrived in 1657 as a soldier on the "Dordrecht" from Delft. He was employed as a hunter. His wife and 5 children joined him in 1662. He became a Burger on 30 September 1659. He lived in Rondebosch. In 1696 he drew up a contract to set his slave, Maria van Bengale and her three children free after his death (which occurred in 1710). She is probably the same person as Maria van Negepatnam, with whom he had three children after his wife's death.

    Aankoms 28.4.1658 aan boord "Dordrecht" vanaf Delft, Nederland, soldaat, vryburger in 1659, graan- en veeboer

    In die Resolusies van die Kaap is daar die volgende verwysing -
    http://tanap.amtex.nl/_xml/
    Dingsdagh den 28e December 1717, voormiddagh.
    Huijden 24e December 1717 compareerde voor mij, Willem van Taack, eerste geswoore clercq ter Polliticque Secretarije alhier aan Cabo de Goede Hoop, in presentje van de naer te noemene getuijgen, den vrijburger
    Hendrik Coster, [2] van competenten ouderdom, dewelke verklaarde ter requisitie van Maria van Brakel, wede. wijlen Jacob Louw, hoe waar ende waaragtigh is dat hij in den jaare 1668 bij den burger Jan Pietersz.

    Louw, [3] in de wandelingh Broertjen gent., als knegt sigh verhuurt hebbende, in de tijd dat aldaar heeft gewoont hem door sijn baas is aangewesen geworden seker stuk lands, groot sestigh morgen, door den selven van Jan Coenraadsz. Visscher gecogt, strekkende van zijn eijgen plaats langs de Liesbeeks Rivier opwaarts aan, het welke als doen ook
    geheel beploegt is geweest, dat voorne. Broertje hem compt. mede heeft gesegt de fontain die tegenwoordigh in 't land van Hans Casper Geringer gemeten is, ook de zijne te wesen, met bijvoegingh dat wel wenste deselve nader aan zijn oude land mogte leggen, soo dat den compt.

    volgens bovengesegde aanwijsingh voor seker betuijgt dat alle 't geene sedert na die kant van Jan Dirksz. de Beer [4] is toegevoegt, zijnen gewesen baas Jan Pietersz. Louw opgem. heeft toebehoort, verklarende den compt. wijders niet meer, gevende voor redenen van wetenschap als in den text, met belofte om zijne depositie, des noods zijnde, met solemneele ede nader te willen gestand doen.

    Jan married Margaretha (Geertjen) GERRITS on 30 Sep 1659 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands. Margaretha (daughter of Pn GERRITS and Pn NN) was born between 1620 and 1637 in Hardenberg, Netherlands; died on 21 Mar 1692 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 11.  Margaretha (Geertjen) GERRITS was born between 1620 and 1637 in Hardenberg, Netherlands (daughter of Pn GERRITS and Pn NN); died on 21 Mar 1692 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    She was his sister in law.

    Geertjen Gerrits word deur 'n slaaf in Maart 1692 vermoor, Jan CoenraadVisser was omtrent 60 jaar oud. Volgens Heese, p. 184 was Geertjen 82jaar oud toe sy vermoor was. (Ek wonder of die korrek is? Was sy dan 22 jaar ouer as haar man?)
    Geertjen Gerrits was vermoor {Hof verwysing: AR VOC 4030 (14 Maart 1692)fol 328.} Maria/Marie van Negapatnam was 'n slavin van Geertjen en Jan Coenraad Visser. 'n Vrydag aand in Maart 1692 het Geertjen en Maria in die kombuis gewerk, toe die slaaf Claas van Mallebar deur die kombuisgeloop het om hout te gaan kap, Geertjen het met hom geraas omdat hy nie betyds gereed gekry het vir haar om te bak nie. Geertjen het ook nieClaas se verskoning aanvaar dat hy vir die koeie gaan soek het in die berge nie. Claas sê toe: "Jou oud hond, Jij moogste den selvs gaanhaalen" - Geertjen probeer toe om Claas te slaan met 'n stuk hout, maar Claas vat die byl in slaan die byl reg in haar nek, dit was noodlotig en haar kop was amper afgekap. Hierdie het plaas gevind voor Maria van Negapatnam (Robert Shell Children of Bondag p 219). Maria hardloop toe na Jag Visser en skreeu: "Baas, Baas! Moeder is dood! Moeder is dood!". Shell verduidelik dat aan die Kaap was die huisvrou beskou as beide nonna en moeder en die baas as vader. In hierdie geval kon Geertjen wel Maria se de facto skoonmoeder gewees het want die seun Coenraad Visser het met haar gehad.
    Arrived from Hardenberg 1662.

    Vermoor deur die slaaf, Claas van Malabar, op Vrydag middag Maart 1692. Die slaaf het deur die kombuis geloop om hout te gaan kap in die erf. Margaretha het die slaaf "scoulded" omdat hy nog nie hout het vir haar om te bak nie en het geweier om hom te glo dat hy in die berg was om vir die koei te soek. Claas het toe gesê": Jou ou hond, jij moogste den selvs gaan haalen" (jou ou hond, gaan haal dit jouself). Margaretha het daarna probeer om die slaaf te klap maar hy het sy byl gelig en dit in haar nek gekap. Dit was dodelik en het feitelik haar kop af gekap. Dit het voor Maria van Negapatnam gebeur en sy het daarna na Visser gehardloop en geskreeu:"Baas, baas! Moeder is dood! Moeder is dood!" In die Kaap het slawe hulle eienaars as "moeder" en "vader" geken. Die moord het plaasgevind op 'n groentemark plaas naby Witteboom (naby vandag se Wynberg). Court case reference AR VOC 4030 (14 Mar 1692) fol 328.

    Geertjen Gerrits was vermoor {Hof verwysing: AR VOC 4030 (14 Maart 1692) fol 328.} Maria/Marie van Negapatnam was 'n slavin van Geertjen en Jan Coenraad Visser. 'n Vrydag aand in Maart 1692 het Geertjen en Maria in die kombuis gewerk, toe die slaaf Claas van Mallebar deur die kombuis geloop het om hout te gaan kap, Geertjen het met hom geraas omdat hy nie betyds gereed gekry het vir haar om te bak nie. Geertjen het ook nie Claas se verskoning aanvaar dat hy vir die koeie gaan soek het in die berge nie. Claas sê toe: "Jou oud hond, Jij moogste den selvs gaan haalen" - Geertjen probeer toe om Claas te slaan met 'n stuk hout, maar Claas vat die byl in slaan die byl reg in haar nek, dit was noodlotig en haar kop was amper afgekap. Hierdie het plaas gevind voor Maria van Negapatnam (Robert Shell Children of Bondag p 219). Maria hardloop toe na Jag Visser en skreeu: "Baas, Baas! Moeder is dood! Moeder is dood!".

    Shell verduidelik dat aan die Kaap was die huisvrou beskou as beide nonna en moeder en die baas as vader. In hierdie geval kon Geertjen wel Maria se de facto skoonmoeder gewees het want die seun Coenraad Visser het met haar gehad.

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jan Coenraad VISSER, a1 Date: Abt 1643 Location: Vollenhove, Overijsel, Netherlands

    Children:
    1. Maria Jans VISSER, a4b1 was born about 1649 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands; died on 7 Jun 1718 in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Gerrit Jansz VISSER, a4b2 was born about 1650 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands; was christened in 1660 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands; died about 1714 in 'Brakkefontein', on the Bergrivier, Cape, South Africa.
    3. Geesje Jansz VISSER, a4b3 was born about 1655 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands; died in in South Africa.
    4. Coenraad VISSER, a4b4 was born about 1660 in Ommen, Ovrysel, Netherlands; was christened on 16 Jan 1667; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    5. 5. Zacharias (Zachararayda) VISSER, a4b5 was born in in Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 28 Aug 1665 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in 1722 in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Johannes VISSER, a4b6 was born in in Rondebosch, Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 16 Jan 1667 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.

  3. 14.  Lorenz CAMPHER, progenitor was born about 1664 in Netherlands; died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    In February 2000 I e-mailed Mansell Upham as follows, 'After several e-mail communications with Janet Melville (because of her interest in the Louws, Van der Merwes and Van WYks), I have received from her an 'uitset' in HTML of her amended version of my ancestors with those particular surnames. The individual, though, at particular issue here is, and I quote from Janet's HTML attachment, '7.48  ?,Ansela :van die Kaap «KP [5838]' There's nothing else. Her husband was, it seems, the following person (taken from the same HTML text), '7.47 Campher(Campfer/Kamfer),Lourens(Lorenz) :- van Morrouw, burger Stellenbosch, eienaar van die plaas Murasie by Koelenhof, besit plaas Driesprong 1693 «DU [5837] X 1685'  -  a German immigrant? Do you perhaps any more information on the woman Ansela?' His reply contained the following, 'What Janet has given you is more or less what most people know about this couple.  I can provide more information - but there is a hitch - as she is one of the women that I have been researching in depth recently.  I am reluctant to divulge too much at this stage for the simple reason that we have  two women by the same name whom I cannot discount with absolute certainty as being possibly one and the same person.  Campher was indeed a German - from Pommerania - and you can find more about him in Hoge's 'Personalia of the Germans at the Cape'.There is another hitch - I am not entirely satisfied that the children attributed to her were necessarily hers.  If Angenitie was indeed her daughter, then we have an exciting aspect to contend with - namely that her descendants would have been the many Van Wyks to be found amongst the Griqua, Nama and Rehoboth Basters. I do not want to say too much as this stage until I know more.  I will let you know, however, once I am more secure about what I have managed to piece together.Have you ever visited 'Muratie'?  They now produce a wine named after Ansela...'
    Lorenz CAMPHER / CAMFER hy was van Mohrow in Pommere. Hy trou met Ansela VAN DE KAAP. Sy was van slawe afkoms.
    Hy kry die plaas Murasie naby Koelenhof.
    KINDERSb1 Cornelis gedoop 13 Okt 1686, X 7 Jan 1709 Dorothea Oelofse
    b2 Agnieta, X Gerrit van der Swaan
    b3 Anthoinneta, X Ary van Wyk, XX Joachim Scholtzb4 Jacoba, X 10 Nov 1711 Joost de Klerck, XX 13 Des 1713 Christoffel Ameen, XXX 17 Jun 1725 Rudolf Freschen
    Bronne:
    Heese en Lombard
    Saamgestel deur:
    AM van Rensburg
    -------------------
    Lourens Campher
    born Werenhold

    Notes:
    Lourens Campher first appears in 1688 in the Cape District, but by 1691 he was resident in Stellenbosch (Opgaaf and Muster Rolls). A wife is not mentioned until 1695 when he is listed along with Ansela van de Caab and three children. From their opgaaf returns they seem not to have been great farmers, starting with sheep and moving onto vines. In 1702 they still had the 3 children with them but by 1709 (the next avail- able opgaaf), just one daughter remained living with them and by 1712 she had left home too. In 1719 the Council of Policy, in a list of unpaid debts, listed Lourens Campher van Werenhold, stating that he was still living, that he had a farm in 't Cleijgat, north of Clapmuts, and owed 156 gulden. (C. 51, pp. 53-65. 21 November 1719) I assume that their three children were Lourens, Antonetta and Jacoba Campher, although there is no documentary proof (that I have yet discovered). in 1705 Cornelis Campher appears for himself as a single man in Stellenbosch on the opgaaf returns and on the 5th September 1705 Antonetta married Gerrit van der Swaan in Stellenbosch, and on the 10th November 1711 Jacoba married Joost de Klerk, all three thus tying in well with the statistics of the children above. Cornelis, Antonetta and Jacoba all appear as baptismal witness for children of one or more of the others. Given that baptismal witnesses were, where possible, chosen from very near relations, such as grand parents and aunts and uncles, this is a furher argument for their being brothers and sisters.

    married

    Ansela van de Caab

    Lorenz married Ansela VAN DIE KAAP about 1683. Ansela was born about 1665; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 15.  Ansela VAN DIE KAAP was born about 1665; died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Moontlik Ansela Hanselaar vanaf Middelburg Nederland
    In February 2000 I e-mailed Mansell Upham as follows, 'After several e-mail communications with Janet Melville (because of her interest in the Louws, Van der Merwes and Van Wyks), I have received from her an 'uitset' in HTML of her amended version of my ancestors with those particular surnames. The individual, though, at particular issue here is, and I quote from Janet's HTML attachment, '7.48  ?,Ansela :van die Kaap «KP [5838]' There's nothing else. Her husband was, it seems, the following person (taken from the same HTML text), '7.47 Campher(Campfer/Kamfer),Lourens(Lorenz) :- van Morrouw, burger Stellenbosch, eienaar van die plaas Murasie by Koelenhof, besit plaas Driesprong 1693 «DU [5837] X 1685'  -  a German immigrant? Do you perhaps any more information on the woman Ansela?'His reply contained the following, 'What Janet has given you is more or less what most people know about this couple.  I can provide more information - but there is a hitch - as she is one of the women that I have been researching in depth recently.  I am reluctant to divulge too much at this stage for the simple reason that we have  two women by the same name whom I cannot discount with absolute certainty as being possibly one and the same person.  Campher was indeed a German - from Pommerania - and you can find more about him in Hoge's 'Personalia of the Germans at the Cape'.There is another hitch - I am not entirely satisfied that the children attributed to her were necessarily hers.  If Angenitie was indeed her daughter, then we have an exciting aspect to contend with - namely that her descendants would have been the many Van Wyks to be found amongst the
    Griqua, Nama and Rehoboth Basters.I do not want to say too much as this stage until I know more.  I will let you know, however, once I am more secure about what I have managed to piece together...'In October 2000 I wrote Mansell to ask about any progress he might have made.

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Ansela van die KAAP Date: 1685

    Children:
    1. 7. Agnitie CAMPHER, b2 was born about 1684 in Netherlands; died after 1740 in 'Elandskloof'.
    2. Cornelis CAMPHER, b1 was born in 1686; was christened on 13 Oct 1686; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    3. Jacoba CAMPHER, b4 was born about 1690 in Zeeland, Netherlands; died in in Cape, South Africa.


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