Johannes Hendrik CLOETE, b2c4d1

Johannes married Elsje M(E)(IJ)(Y)BURG(H), b2c4 on 2 Jul 1744 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Elsje (daughter of Albert Lambertz M(E)(IJ)(Y)BURG(H), b2 and Elsie VAN DER MERWE, b11) was born est 1722 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 12 Oct 1721; died on 2 Jul 1741 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

(MOOC 8/5 52)
eienaar v. Idasvalei, Vredenburg en Vlottenburg, dist Stellenbosch,

Died:
(Mooc 8/5 52)

Johannes married Johanna OLIVIER, a1b5 about 1714 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Johanna (daughter of Hendrik Cornelizoon OLIVIER, a2 and Beatrix Gysberta (Gijsbertha) VERWEY (VERWEIJ), b1) was born in in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 10 Mar 1691 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in 1716 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also SS: 1990 JO

Notes:

Henrik and his brother, Ockert were the progenitors (stamvaders) of Olivier family in South Africa. Their common second name indicates that their father's name was Cornelis.
Hendrik arrived at the Cape in 1661 from Ouwerkerk in the Netherlands and in the same year he became a free burger.
He was commended as being one of the best 10 farmers in the Cape on 1 Apr 1677. After this he was permitted to buy a slave.
He was the owner of the farm "Tygerberg" at the Liesbeekrivier.
When he died he left land described as "onbeboud" (not developed), a fram on the Tygerberg, cattle, sheep and nearly 10,000 gulden.

Arrived 1661. On 1 Apr 1677 he was acknowledged to be one of the ten best farmers and was allowed to buy a slave. Owner of 'Tygerberg' on the Liesbeek River.

Arrived 1671. Was not married to Maria Janse Visser but had two out of wedlock children with her
m Ouwekerk in the Netherlands, arrived at the Cape 1661, vryburger and shown as one of the best ten farmers on 1.4.1677 after which he was allowed to buy a slave, owner of 'Tygerberg' on the Liiebeeck river.

Volgens Pama II was hy afkomstig van Ouwerkerk in Nederland. Burger. Sy broer Ockert is die tweede Olivier stamvader.

Van Ouwekerk in Nederland. Arriveer 1661, vryburger en word as een van die tien beste boere op 1 April 1677 aangewys, waarna hy toegelat word om 'n slaaf te koop. Eienaar van "Tygerpoort" aan die Liesbeeckrivier. Sterf omstreeks 1701. Trou in Kaapstad op 30 Mei 1677 Beatrix Guiberthe (Gysberta) Verwey. Sy is geore omstreeks 1656 van Woerden in Nederland. Na haar eggenoot se afsterwe in 1702 word die plaas "Clara Anna Fontein" huidiglik Bellville aan haar toegeken. In 1714 word die leenplaas "Louisklip" distrik Gouda in haar naam gerigistreer. Sy sterf in 1740 (MOOC 8/6 63) sy is die dogter van Gysbert Verwey en Catharina Ganzevanger van Milligen, Nederland.

Afkomstig van Ouwerkerk in Nederland. (MOOC 8/1 65)


KINDERS;
b1 Gysbert gedoop 2 Mei 1678, nooit getroud, + 1730
b2 Cornelis gedoop 19 Maart 1679, + 1713
b3 Neeltje (Cornelia gedoop) 21 Sep 1681, X 2 Okt 1707 Cent Jantz, XX Christiaan Sprigt
b4 Jan gedoop 7 Nov 1683, X 18 Apr 1717 Helena Burger
b5 Aart (Arend) gedoop 9 Mei 1688, X 16 Apr 1730 Helena du Toit (wed van Ernst Frederik de Swart)
b6 Annietie (Johanna) gedoop 10 Maart 1691, X Jan Cloete
b7 Gerrit gedoop 31 Mei 1693, X 30 Mei 1730 Maria Magdalena van der Westhuizen
b8 Ocker gedoop 3 Des 1696, sterwe voor 1718
b9 Beatrix gedoop 9 Mei 1698, X 5 Sep 1721 Pieter van der Westhuizen

Hendrik was die ouer broer van die ander stamvader Ockert Cornelisz Olivier (kyk ook onder hom). Hulle voorgeslagte is soos volg:

Hierdie Oliviers was van Ouwerkerk, distrik Duiveland, provinsie Zeeland. (Let wel nie Ouderkerk, nader aan Amsterdam, soos deur sekere bronne aangehaal nie).

Ook bleik dit dat die Olivier familienaam eers in die 1600's 'n vaste tweede/laaste naam geword het.

DIE OLIVIERS VAN OUWERKERK, PROVINSIE ZEELAND IS VERMOEDELIK SOOS VOLG:-

Olivier Corneliszoon stamvader (in lewe mid tot laat 1500's met 4 kinders

1.1 Cornelis Olivier (in lewe gedurende 1644 met 3 kinders)

1.1.1 Marietje Cornelisdr. Olivier

1.1.2 Cornelis Corneliszoon Olivier (sterf voor 29.8.1676 met 2 kinders)

1.1.2.1 Hendrik Corneliszoon Olivier (SA stamvader)

1.1.2.2 Ockert Corneliszoon Olivier (jonger SA stamvader)

1.1.3 Olivier Corneliszoon (met 3 kinders)

1.1.3.1 Gerrit Olivier

1.1.3.2 Jan Olivier

1.1.3.3 Pieter Olivier

1.2 Jan Olivier (sterf voor 1629)

1.3 Adriaentje Olivier

1.4 Trijntje Olivier

As bogenoemde inligting aanvaar word dan ontstaan die volgende weerlegbare afleidings/vermoedens.
Die Olivier voorgeslagte het lank voor die Franse Hugenote (1688) al na Suid-wes Holland verkas en is hulle dan nie juis deel van die Franse Hugenote nie.

In 1687 het Hendrik en sy vrou met 'n paar andere geweier om kerkdienste by te woon weens die ergerlike lewe van die sieketrooster, Sybrand Mankapdan. Hendrik is aangekla op 22 September 1673 weens diefstal.

Hendrik sterwe 1701 en hy het toe 'n onbebouwde plaas gehad aan de Ruyterstal valleij en 'n plaas by Tygerberg. Die plaas Clara Anna Fontein by Tygerberg word aan Beatrix toegeken. Sy ontvang ook weiland in 1706 in die Land van Waveren, sy kry hierdie plaas met 'n erfbrief in 1714, en is bekend as Louisenklip aan die Klein Berg rivier. Sy was bekend as die 'landbouweresse'. Beatrix sterwe 1740/1741.

Bronne:
Esme BULL "An Anomaly in the OLIVIER Family" Familia, Vol 23, No.3, 1986.
M Cairns The Secluded Valley. Tulbagh: t' Land van Waveren 1700 - 1804
de Villiers en Pama
GC de Wet Die Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting

(Research):a. 1661 Vryburger en word as een van die beste tien boere op 1/4/1677 aangewys, waarna hy toegelaat was om 'n slaaf te koop, eienaar v. "Tygerberg" aan Liesbeekrivier.

Volgens Pama II was hy afkomstig van Ouwerkerk in Nederland. Burger. Sy broer Ockert is die tweede Olivier stamvader.

Hendrik Cornelisz OLIVIER was van Ouwerkerk, distrik Duiveland, provinsie Zeeland. Hy kom in 1661 na die Kaap as vryburger. Hy word as een van die beste tien boere wat op 1 April 1677 aangewys en toegelaat om 'n slaaf te koop. Hy word 'n burger in 1701. Hy trou 30 Mei 1677 met Beatrix Gysberta VERWEY, sy was van Woerden, Nederland. Haar ouers is Gysbert Verwey en Catharina Ganzevanger, van Milligen, Nederland.

KINDERS;
b1 Gysbert gedoop 2 Mei 1678, nooit getroud, + 1730
b2 Cornelis gedoop 19 Maart 1679, + 1713
b3 Neeltje (Cornelia gedoop) 21 Sep 1681, X 2 Okt 1707 Cent Jantz, XX Christiaan Sprigt
b4 Jan gedoop 7 Nov 1683, X 18 Apr 1717 Helena Burger
b5 Aart (Arend) gedoop 9 Mei 1688, X 16 Apr 1730 Helena du Toit (wed van Ernst Frederik de Swart)
b6 Annietie (Johanna) gedoop 10 Maart 1691, X Jan Cloete
b7 Gerrit gedoop 31 Mei 1693, X 30 Mei 1730 Maria Magdalena van der Westhuizen
b8 Ocker gedoop 3 Des 1696, sterwe voor 1718
b9 Beatrix gedoop 9 Mei 1698, X 5 Sep 1721 Pieter van der Westhuizen

Hendrik was die ouer broer van die ander stamvader Ockert Cornelisz Olivier (kyk ook onder hom). Hulle voorgeslagte is soos volg:

Hierdie Oliviers was van Ouwerkerk, distrik Duiveland, provinsie Zeeland. (Let wel nie Ouderkerk, nader aan Amsterdam, soos deur sekere bronne aangehaal nie).

Ook bleik dit dat die Olivier familienaam eers in die 1600's 'n vaste tweede/laaste naam geword het.

DIE OLIVIERS VAN OUWERKERK, PROVINSIE ZEELAND IS VERMOEDELIK SOOS VOLG:-

Olivier Corneliszoon stamvader (in lewe mid tot laat 1500's met 4 kinders

1.1 Cornelis Olivier (in lewe gedurende 1644 met 3 kinders)

1.1.1 Marietje Cornelisdr. Olivier

1.1.2 Cornelis Corneliszoon Olivier (sterf voor 29.8.1676 met 2 kinders)

1.1.2.1 Hendrik Corneliszoon Olivier (SA stamvader)

1.1.2.2 Ockert Corneliszoon Olivier (jonger SA stamvader)

1.1.3 Olivier Corneliszoon (met 3 kinders)

1.1.3.1 Gerrit Olivier

1.1.3.2 Jan Olivier

1.1.3.3 Pieter Olivier

1.2 Jan Olivier (sterf voor 1629)

1.3 Adriaentje Olivier

1.4 Trijntje Olivier

As bogenoemde inligting aanvaar word dan ontstaan die volgende weerlegbare afleidings/vermoedens.
Die Olivier voorgeslagte het lank voor die Franse Hugenote (1688) al na Suid-wes Holland verkas en is hulle dan nie juis deel van die Franse Hugenote nie.

In 1687 het Hendrik en sy vrou met 'n paar andere geweier om kerkdienste by te woon weens die ergerlike lewe van die sieketrooster, Sybrand Mankapdan. Hendrik is aangekla op 22 September 1673 weens diefstal.

Hendrik sterwe 1701 en hy het toe 'n onbebouwde plaas gehad aan de Ruyterstal valleij en 'n plaas by Tygerberg. Die plaas Clara Anna Fontein by Tygerberg word aan Beatrix toegeken. Sy ontvang ook weiland in 1706 in die Land van Waveren, sy kry hierdie plaas met 'n erfbrief in 1714, en is bekend as Louisenklip aan die Klein Berg rivier. Sy was bekend as die 'landbouweresse'. Beatrix sterwe 1740/1741.

Bronne:
Esme BULL "An Anomaly in the OLIVIER Family" Familia, Vol 23, No.3, 1986.
M Cairns The Secluded Valley. Tulbagh: t' Land van Waveren 1700 - 1804
de Villiers en Pama
GC de Wet Die Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting

Died:
MOOC 8/1 65

Hendrik married Beatrix Gysberta (Gijsbertha) VERWEY (VERWEIJ), b1 on 30 May 1677 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Beatrix (daughter of Gysbert (Dirksz) VERWEY, progenitor and Catharina GANZEVANGER) was born between 1650 and 1657 in Woerden, Oude Rijn, Utrecht, Netherlands; died about 1740 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Van Woerden in Nederland. Na eggenoot se afsterwe in 1702 word die plaas "Clara Anna Fontein" huidiglik Bellville, aan haar toegeken. In 1714 word "Louisklip" distrik Gouda in haar naam geregistreer.

MOOC 8/6 63

After the death of her spouse, the farm "Clara Anna Fontein" currently Bellville, was allocated to her. In 1714 the loan farm "Louisklip", district Gouda was registered in her name.


Beatrix and her sister married the Olivier progenitor brothers, Ockert and Hendrik.
After her husband's death in 1702 she received the farm "Clara Anna Fontein " (currently the suburb of Bellville in Cape Town). She also received grazing rights in the Land van Waveren (Tulbagh) in 1708.
In 1714 the loan farm "Louisklip" in the Gouda district was registered in her name.
In addition to her bequests to her children Beatrix left 50 gulden to the poor of the town.

(Research):v. Woerden in Nederland, na eggenoot se afsterwe in 1702 word die plaas "Clara Anna Fontein " huidiglik Bellville, aan haar toegeken, 1714 word leenplaats "Louisklip", dist. Gouda in haar naam geregistreer.

Died:
MOOC 8/6 63

Notes:

Name derived from the two brothers both called Corneliszoon Pama Vol 2.

Die Oliviers kom vanaf Ouwerkerk, Provinsie Zeeland, Suidwes Holland. Sy pa was vermoedelik Cornelis, in lewe 1644 met drie kinders) en die se broer en susters was Jan, Adriaentje en Trijntje.

Sy oupa was Olivier Corneliszoon, in lewe mid laat 1500's met 4 kinders.

!SAGvol 7 page 69

Naam afgelaai van die "Corneliszoon" wat as patroniem van die twee stamvaders en broers Hendrik en Ockert Olivier voorkom in Pama II.

Cornelis married Pn NN. Pn and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Arrived at the Cape before 1668 from Milligen, Netherlands with his wife and three children.

Was van Milligen in Nederland afkomstig. Kom voor 1668 in die Kaap aan saam met sy vrou en drie kinders.

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To:
Subject: [GenForum] Gysbert VERWEY x GANZEVANGER "kenners" benodig!!
Date: 04 October 2001 04:29


Beste Lyslede,

Die volgende verskyn op die webwerf Stamouers van Suid-Afrika van Andre van Rensburg.

Ek soek baie graag meer inligting oor die drie VERWEY kinders van hierdie paar, veral geboorte en sterfte datums van

Aletta
Beatrix
Dirk
(enige ander kinders?)

en ook van hulle ouers:

NB - Is die pa wel vanaf ?Milligen? en waar is dit gelee (Holland??)

Verskeie ander bronne beweer dat die twee dogters kom van ?Woerden? in Holland!!

Baie dankie by voorbaat!!
Bertus Ferreira
VSA


Stamvader Gysbert VERWEY was from Milligen. He was born about 1630, he was also known as Gysbert Dirksz Verwey. They arrived in South Africa before 1688 with his wife - Catharina GANZEVANGER - and three children. She was also known as Catharina Theunisz and Trijn Gysbertsz.

The VOC forbid vryburghers to sell wheat to the passing ship. Some of the burghers mixed the wheat with straw and then sold it under the cover as pig or chicken feed. Gysbert was caught trespassing this prohibition. On 18 November 1671 Catharina was fined 12 rijksdaalers for insulting the court of justice. After the death of Gysbert, his wife Catharina between 1677 - 1678 was involved with the brewing of beer using sugar as an essential part of the production.

CHILDREN
Aletta, X 5 Feb 1679 Ockert Cornelis Olivier

Sources:
Genealogies of old S A Families - de Villiers/Pama - 1981
GC de Wet Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting

Thanks to research by:

Thanks to submission by:
Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za
AM van Rensburg

Janet's notes, '...van Milligen, aankoms voor 1668 met sy vrou en drie kinders.'

!SAG vol 7 page 69

Sien p.231-232 van Karel Schoeman.

Stamvader Gysbert VERWEY was from Milligen. He was born about 1630, he was also known as Gysbert Dirksz Verwey. They arrived in South Africa before 1688 with his wife - Catharina GANZEVANGER - and three children. She was also known as Catharina Theunisz and Trijn Gysbertsz.
The VOC forbid vryburghers to sell wheat to the passing ship. Some of the burghers mixed the wheat with straw and then sold it under the cover as pig or chicken feed. Gysbert was caught trespassing this prohibition. On 18 November 1671 Catharina was fined 12 rijksdaalers for insulting the court of justice. After the death of Gysbert, his wife Catharina between 1677 - 1678 was involved with the brewing of beer using sugar as an essential part of the production.
CHILDREN
Aletta, X 5 Feb 1679 Ockert Cornelis Olivier
Sources:
Genealogies of old S A Families - de Villiers/Pama - 1981
GC de Wet Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting
Thanks to research by:
Thanks to submission by:
Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za
AM van Rensburg


Arrived at the Cape from Milligen, Netherlands before 1668.
Gysbert was the progenitor (stamvader) of Verwey family in South Africa. He arrived in the Cape before 1688 with his wife, Catharina, and 3 children.
The VOC forbade free burghers to sell wheat to passing ships. Some of the burghers mixed the wheat with straw and then sold it undercover as pig or chicken feed. Gysbert was caught trespassing this prohibition.

(Research):Was van Milligen in Nederland afkomstig. Kom voo 1668 in die Kaap aan saam met sy vrou en drie kinders.

Gysbert married Catharina GANZEVANGER in Netherlands. Catharina was born between 1630 and 1640 in Milligen, Gelderland, Nederland; died in 1715 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Van Milligen, Nederland

Milligen , Nederland

!SAG vol 7 page 69

Tryntje Gansevanger was a remarkable and enterprising woman and a most successful farmer. She made sure her children were literate _ Aletta and Beatrix both wrote a good hand, but Hendrik and Ocker signed documents with a cross. Both Beatrix and Aletta saw to it that their children, too, were literate and both women kept up and expanded their farming operations after their husbands died.

Catharina was a remarkable and enterprising woman and most successful farmer. She ensured that her children were literate - both her daughters, Aletta and Beatrix, wrote with a good hand, while their Olivier husbands signed documents with a cross.
On 18 Nov 1671 Catharina was fined 12 rijksdaalers for insulting the Court of Justice.
After the death of her husband, Gysbert, between 1677 and 1678 she was involved with the brewing of beer using sugar as an essential part of the production.
v. Milligen, Nederland