Johannes (Jan) Cornelius OLIVIER, a1b2c2

Notes:

Farmed "Over de Olifantsrivier"

Johannes married Cecilia DU PREEZ, b6c7 on 12 Feb 1730 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa. Cecilia (daughter of Phillippe DU PREEZ, b6 and Isabeau (Elizabeth) PR, b4) was christened on 14 May 1713; died on 11 Apr 1781 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Dirkje OLIVIER, a1b2c2d2 was christened on 3 Aug 1734 in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.

Notes:

COMMENT: The dates seem a little suspect. If they are correct, he was married at the age of 10 and had children at the age of 14. Refer his father's 13 children Christened from 3/12/1679 (Gysbert) at regular intervals until 9/11/1698 (Geertruyd). 1688-89 looks like the correct year for his birth.
His children were Christened ca. 1704, 13/7/1706, 30/12/1708 and 15/7/1711 which makes his marriage date 1699 plausible.
Alt Birth: 1689
Alt Christening: 27 Feb 1689
Raised by his maternal grandfather
Hy was die eienaar van die plaas "Hazekraal" (Volgens Pama II). Hy en sy ouer sussie Dina was buite-egtelike kinders van Maria Janse Visser.

Christened:
Erasmus Register: 27.2.1689

Cornelis married Anna Catharina Richman VAN WEIJ on 22 Nov 1699 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Anna (daughter of Johannes RICHMANN, progenitor and Maria Matthyse ELI) was born about 1681 in Netherlands; was christened on 15 Sep 1686; died in Sep 1777 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Woon te Wey in die Rynprovinsie.

Notes:

(Research):Sien Karel Schoeman, p.258/9

Brother of Hendrik Corneliszoon. From Ouwerkerk, Netherlands. Burger

du Plooy.paf: Brother of Hendrik Corneliszoon.

Van Ouwerkerk, Netherlands. Burger. Gedurende die tyd wat Willem Willemse in ballingskap was het hy en Maria Jansz Visser 'n verhouding gehad en twee kinders is gebore. Die kinders het by hulle oupa Jan Coenraad Visser gewoon.

SAG7: Arrived in Table Bay 1671, as a young man he had two illegitimate children by Maria Janze Visser the wife of Willem Willemse van Deventer.

Volgens Pama II was hy afkomstig van Ouwerkerk in Nederland. Burger. Sy broer Hendrik is die eerste Olivier stamvader.

Werk die Olivier artikel in Familia 1986 No 3 p47. An anomaly in the Olivier Family by !!!!!!!!

!SAG vol 7 page 69

As young man he had two illigitimate children with Maria Janse Visser (wife of Willem Willemse of Deventer)

: De Villiers Pama pg 667

In 1692 he was fined 1000 Gulden for illegal sales of alcohol.

II. Ocker Comelisz vryburger, jongman x 5.2.1679 Alitie Vermoly van Woerden.

(Sien D&P p.667 en SAG 7 O-Ph p.69) Cornelis Olivier het twee voorkinders by Maria Jans Visser (alias Liermans) gehad: Cornelis =27.8.1673 en Dina =25.7.1675. Hy trou 5.2.1679 met Aeltje Gysberts Verwey van Woerden
Brother of Hendrik Corneliszoon. From Ouwerkerk, Netherlands. Burger

Ockert Cornelisz OLIVIER gebore Ouwerkerk, Nederland. Hy het by die Kaap aangekom in 1671. Olivier was 'n knegt gewees by Willem Willemsz: van Deventer.
Willem Willemsz het ''n Hottentot in 1672 dood gemaak. Willem Willemsz het eers weg gehardloop op 'n Deense skip na Nederland, maar hy het weer terug gekom na die Kaap. Willem Willemsz was toe na Robben eiland gestuur. Terwyl Willem Willemsz: van Deventer weg was het Olivier twee kinders met Willem Willemsz se vrou, Maria Jansz Visser gehad.

Maria Jansz VISSER, sy was gebore ongeveer 1650. Sy was die dogter van Jan Coenraad Visser. Toe Willem Willemsz in September 1675 weer in Kaapstad land vind hy dat sy vrou het twee kinders van Olivier. Hy kla haar aan teen "lichtvaardige gedrag". Hierdie hofsaaak en gevoelens was so erg tussen die twee dat hulle na Batavia toe in 1676 verban was, op twee aparte skepe. Maar voor die skepe geseil het, het Maria en Willem weer opgemaak, en toe het hulle weg gevaar op die selfde skip.
Olivier trou op 5 Feb 1679 met Aletta VERWEY, sy was gebore Woerden, Nederland. Aletta Verwey se ouers was Gysbert Verwey en Catharina Ganzevanger.
Ockert was aangekla op 14 Feb 1692 as gevolg van drankverkoop. Hy was beboet vir 1,000 gulden omdat hy ontwettig met drank gehandel het.
Ockert en Maria Visser se kinders was Dina en Cornelis, hulle was gebore tussen 1672 en 1675. Hierdie twee kinders was opgevoed deur Maria se vader Jan Coenraad Visser. Hierdie twee kinders was nie genoem in Alleta se testament of in Aletta se moeder Tryntje Gansevanger se testament nie, al het Gansevanger voorsiening gemaak vir haar kleinkinders in haar testament.

KINDERS TUSSEN OCKERT OLIVIER EN MARIA VISSER
1. Dina * 1672/73, X Hans Jacobus Brits
2. Cornelis * 1674/75, X 22 Nov 1699 Anna van Weij
Ockert en Aletta Verwey het 13 kinders gehad.
1 Gysbert =03.12.1679
2 Marthie (Maria) =12.10.1681, x Dirk van Schalkwyk
3 Catharina =11.07.1683, x 7 Nov 1706 Nicolaas van der Westhuyzen
4 Neeltje (Cornelia) =15.04.1685 sterwe voor 1721
5 Hilletje *c1687, x 19 Sep 1707 Eduard Loubser, xx 12 Feb 1719 Johannes Mostert
6 Cornelis =27.02.1689
7 Anna (Johanna)=18.02.1691, x Paulus Artois
8 Jan (Johannes) =08.11.1692, sterwe voor 1721
9 Dirk = 05.09.1694, +1734
10 Aeltie (Aletta) =26 Aug 1695, x 22 Sep 1720 Michiel Africanus Heyns, xx 29 Jul 1736 Matthys Sondag
11 Geertruy = 9 Nov 1698, x 2 Apr 1724 Thobias Mostert
12 Hendrik =21 Nov 1700, x 21 Mei 1724 Maria Vivie, xx Willem van der Viijver
Die dogter Neeltjie moes kwaai veg weens 'n onsuksevolle aanrading deur Robert van Batavia in Oktober 1712. Sy het so kwaai geveg dat dit eintlik Robert van Batavia was met moeilikheid uit haar kloue ontsnap het. Ongeag dat die aanranding misluk het word Robert van Batavia tot dood gestraf.
Hy was 'n broer van die ander Olivier stamvader Hendrik Cornelis Olivier wat ook met 'n Verwey getroud was.
Ockert sterf 1705.

Aletta se inventaris in 1720 sluit in die plaas Hoogebergsvalleij aan die Kleine Stinkrivier, en die opstal Vrolijkheid in Roodesand
Bronne:
Esme BULL "An Anomaly in the OLIVIER Family" Familia, Vol 23, No.3, 1986.
de Villiers - Pama
Heese en Lombard
GC de Wet Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting
JL Hattingh "Beleid en Praktyk: Die Doop van Slawekinders en die sluit van Gemengde Verhoudings aan die Kaap voor 1720" Kronos vol 5, 1982
Inligting ook verkry van Mariana Olivier
Saamgestel deur:
AM van Rensburg

Arriveer in Tafelbaai 1671.As jongman het hy twee buite egtelike kinders by Maria Janse Visser, vrou van Willem Willemse van Deventer gehad.

Ockert Cornelisz OLIVIER gebore Ouwerkerk, Nederland. Hy het by die Kaap aangekom in 1671. Olivier was 'n knegt gewees by Willem Willemsz: van Deventer.Willem Willemsz het ''n Hottentot in 1672 dood gemaak. Willem Willemsz het eers weg gehardloop op 'n Deense skip na Nederland, maar hy het weer terug gekom na die Kaap. Willem Willemsz was toe na Robben eiland gestuur. Terwyl Willem Willemsz: van Deventer weg was het Olivier twee kinders met Willem Willemsz se vrou, Maria Jansz Visser gehad.Maria Jansz VISSER, sy was gebore ongeveer 1650. Sy was die dogter van Jan Coenraad Visser. Toe Willem Willemsz in September 1675 weer in Kaapstad land vind hy dat sy vrou het twee kinders van Olivier. Hy kla haar aan teen "lichtvaardige gedrag". Hierdie hofsaaak en gevoelens was so erg tussen die twee dat hulle na Batavia toe in 1676 verban was, op twee aparte skepe. Maar voor die skepe geseil het, het Maria en Willem weer opgemaak, en toe het hulle weg gevaar op die selfde skip.Olivier trou op 5 Feb 1679 met Aletta VERWEY, sy was gebore Woerden, Nederland. Aletta Verwey se ouers was Gysbert Verwey en Catharina Ganzevanger.Ockert was aangekla op 14 Feb 1692 as gevolg van drankverkoop. Hy was beboet vir 1,000 gulden omdat hy ontwettig met drank gehandel het.Ockert en Maria Visser se kinders was Dina en Cornelis, hulle was gebore tussen 1672 en 1675. Hierdie twee kinders was opgevoed deur Maria se vader Jan Coenraad Visser. Hierdie twee kinders was nie genoem in Alleta se testament of in Aletta se moeder Tryntje Gansevanger se testament nie, al het Gansevanger voorsiening gemaak vir haar kleinkinders in haar testament.
KINDERS TUSSEN OCKERT OLIVIER EN MARIA VISSER
1. Dina * 1672/73, X Hans Jacobus Brits
2. Cornelis * 1674/75, X 22 Nov 1699 Anna van Weij
Ockert en Aletta Verwey het 13 kinders gehad.
1 Gysbert =03.12.1679
2 Marthie (Maria) =12.10.1681, x Dirk van Schalkwyk3 Catharina =11.07.1683, x 7 Nov 1706 Nicolaas van der Westhuyzen
4 Neeltje (Cornelia) =15.04.1685 sterwe voor 17215 Hilletje *c1687, x 19 Sep 1707 Eduard Loubser, xx 12 Feb 1719 Johannes Mostert
6 Cornelis =27.02.1689
7 Anna (Johanna)=18.02.1691, x Paulus Artois
8 Jan (Johannes) =08.11.1692, sterwe voor 1721
9 Dirk = 05.09.1694, +173410 Aeltie (Aletta) =26 Aug 1695, x 22 Sep 1720 Michiel Africanus Heyns, xx 29 Jul 1736 Matthys Sondag
11 Geertruy = 9 Nov 1698, x 2 Apr 1724 Thobias Mostert12 Hendrik =21 Nov 1700, x 21 Mei 1724 Maria Vivie, xx Willem van der ViijverDie dogter Neeltjie moes kwaai veg weens 'n onsuksevolle aanrading deur Robert van Batavia in Oktober 1712. Sy het so kwaai geveg dat dit eintlik Robert van Batavia was met moeilikheid uit haar kloue ontsnap het. Ongeag dat die aanranding misluk het word Robert van Batavia tot dood gestraf.Hy was 'n broer van die ander Olivier stamvader Hendrik Cornelis Olivier wat ook met 'n Verwey getroud was.
Ockert sterf 1705.
Aletta se inventaris in 1720 sluit in die plaas Hoogebergsvalleij aan die Kleine Stinkrivier, en die opstal Vrolijkheid in Roodesand
Bronne:Esme BULL "An Anomaly in the OLIVIER Family" Familia, Vol 23, No.3, 1986.
de Villiers - Pama
Heese en Lombard
GC de Wet Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse NedersettingJL Hattingh "Beleid en Praktyk: Die Doop van Slawekinders en die sluit van Gemengde Verhoudings aan die Kaap voor 1720" Kronos vol 5, 1982
Inligting ook verkry van Mariana Olivier
Saamgestel deur:
AM van Rensburg

Ockert married Aletta VERWEY, b2 on 7 Feb 1679 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Aletta (daughter of Gysbert (Dirksz) VERWEY, progenitor and Catharina GANZEVANGER) was born between 1650 and 1659 in Woerden, Oude Rijn, Utrecht, Netherlands; died in May 1721 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Sy word ook aangedui as Alitie Vermoly en kom van Woerden, Nederland. Sy besit "Hoogebersvallei" en "Kleine Stinkrivier" by afsterwe asook 'n opstal, "Vrolijkheid" in Roodezand.

Afkomstig van Woerden, Nederland.

Notes:

Married:
Alt Marriage: Ockert Corneliszoon OLIVIER, a1 Date: 5 Feb 1679 Location: KaapstadAlt Marriage: Ockert Corneliszoon OLIVIER, a1 Date: 5 Feb 1679 Location: Cape Town, Cape, South Africa Notes: Alt Marriage: Ockert Corneliszoon OLIVIER, a1 Date: 5 Feb 1679 Location: Kaapstad

Notes:

Burger Stellenbosch, 1687 Master gardener H.O.I.K.

Volgens Pama II was hy afkomstig van Wey, in die Rynprovinsie. Baastuinier in die Kaap.

Johannes married Maria Matthyse ELI. Maria was born between 1616 and 1650; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Sy was die eienaar van die plaas Hazekraal

Notes:

Name derived from the two brothers both called Corneliszoon Pama Vol 2.

Die Oliviers kom vanaf Ouwerkerk, Provinsie Zeeland, Suidwes Holland. Sy pa was vermoedelik Cornelis, in lewe 1644 met drie kinders) en die se broer en susters was Jan, Adriaentje en Trijntje.

Sy oupa was Olivier Corneliszoon, in lewe mid laat 1500's met 4 kinders.

!SAGvol 7 page 69

Naam afgelaai van die "Corneliszoon" wat as patroniem van die twee stamvaders en broers Hendrik en Ockert Olivier voorkom in Pama II.

Notes:

Arrived at the Cape before 1668 from Milligen, Netherlands with his wife and three children.

Was van Milligen in Nederland afkomstig. Kom voor 1668 in die Kaap aan saam met sy vrou en drie kinders.

From:
To:
Subject: [GenForum] Gysbert VERWEY x GANZEVANGER "kenners" benodig!!
Date: 04 October 2001 04:29


Beste Lyslede,

Die volgende verskyn op die webwerf Stamouers van Suid-Afrika van Andre van Rensburg.

Ek soek baie graag meer inligting oor die drie VERWEY kinders van hierdie paar, veral geboorte en sterfte datums van

Aletta
Beatrix
Dirk
(enige ander kinders?)

en ook van hulle ouers:

NB - Is die pa wel vanaf ?Milligen? en waar is dit gelee (Holland??)

Verskeie ander bronne beweer dat die twee dogters kom van ?Woerden? in Holland!!

Baie dankie by voorbaat!!
Bertus Ferreira
VSA


Stamvader Gysbert VERWEY was from Milligen. He was born about 1630, he was also known as Gysbert Dirksz Verwey. They arrived in South Africa before 1688 with his wife - Catharina GANZEVANGER - and three children. She was also known as Catharina Theunisz and Trijn Gysbertsz.

The VOC forbid vryburghers to sell wheat to the passing ship. Some of the burghers mixed the wheat with straw and then sold it under the cover as pig or chicken feed. Gysbert was caught trespassing this prohibition. On 18 November 1671 Catharina was fined 12 rijksdaalers for insulting the court of justice. After the death of Gysbert, his wife Catharina between 1677 - 1678 was involved with the brewing of beer using sugar as an essential part of the production.

CHILDREN
Aletta, X 5 Feb 1679 Ockert Cornelis Olivier

Sources:
Genealogies of old S A Families - de Villiers/Pama - 1981
GC de Wet Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting

Thanks to research by:

Thanks to submission by:
Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za
AM van Rensburg

Janet's notes, '...van Milligen, aankoms voor 1668 met sy vrou en drie kinders.'

!SAG vol 7 page 69

Sien p.231-232 van Karel Schoeman.

Stamvader Gysbert VERWEY was from Milligen. He was born about 1630, he was also known as Gysbert Dirksz Verwey. They arrived in South Africa before 1688 with his wife - Catharina GANZEVANGER - and three children. She was also known as Catharina Theunisz and Trijn Gysbertsz.
The VOC forbid vryburghers to sell wheat to the passing ship. Some of the burghers mixed the wheat with straw and then sold it under the cover as pig or chicken feed. Gysbert was caught trespassing this prohibition. On 18 November 1671 Catharina was fined 12 rijksdaalers for insulting the court of justice. After the death of Gysbert, his wife Catharina between 1677 - 1678 was involved with the brewing of beer using sugar as an essential part of the production.
CHILDREN
Aletta, X 5 Feb 1679 Ockert Cornelis Olivier
Sources:
Genealogies of old S A Families - de Villiers/Pama - 1981
GC de Wet Vryliede en Vryswartes in die Kaapse Nedersetting
Thanks to research by:
Thanks to submission by:
Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za
AM van Rensburg


Arrived at the Cape from Milligen, Netherlands before 1668.
Gysbert was the progenitor (stamvader) of Verwey family in South Africa. He arrived in the Cape before 1688 with his wife, Catharina, and 3 children.
The VOC forbade free burghers to sell wheat to passing ships. Some of the burghers mixed the wheat with straw and then sold it undercover as pig or chicken feed. Gysbert was caught trespassing this prohibition.

(Research):Was van Milligen in Nederland afkomstig. Kom voo 1668 in die Kaap aan saam met sy vrou en drie kinders.

Gysbert married Catharina GANZEVANGER in Netherlands. Catharina was born between 1630 and 1640 in Milligen, Gelderland, Nederland; died in 1715 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Van Milligen, Nederland

Milligen , Nederland

!SAG vol 7 page 69

Tryntje Gansevanger was a remarkable and enterprising woman and a most successful farmer. She made sure her children were literate _ Aletta and Beatrix both wrote a good hand, but Hendrik and Ocker signed documents with a cross. Both Beatrix and Aletta saw to it that their children, too, were literate and both women kept up and expanded their farming operations after their husbands died.

Catharina was a remarkable and enterprising woman and most successful farmer. She ensured that her children were literate - both her daughters, Aletta and Beatrix, wrote with a good hand, while their Olivier husbands signed documents with a cross.
On 18 Nov 1671 Catharina was fined 12 rijksdaalers for insulting the Court of Justice.
After the death of her husband, Gysbert, between 1677 and 1678 she was involved with the brewing of beer using sugar as an essential part of the production.
v. Milligen, Nederland