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Willem ODENDA(A)L(L), b3

Willem ODENDA(A)L(L), b3

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Willem ODENDA(A)L(L), b3 was born on 23 Oct 1715 in South Africa; was christened on 10 Nov 1715 in Cape, South Africa (son of Wilhelm ODENDA(A)L(L), progenitor and Judith NEL, a1b7); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Burger Stellenbosch

    Willem married Magdalena LE ROUX, a3b10 on 9 Apr 1745 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Magdalena (daughter of Jean LE ROUX, a3 and Marie DE HAAS, a5b1) was born about 1725 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 25 Nov 1725 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Wilhelm ODENDA(A)L(L), progenitor was born about 1695 in Cologne, North Rhine Westphalia, Germany; died on 29 Jan 1732 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Van Keulen. Aankoms soldaat, 1706 boukneg, later burger en kleremaker.

    Refer to notes of Susanna Biebouw

    Arrived as soldier from Keulen, Germany before 1706 by which time he was a mason. Later worked as a tailor. His first wife was Susanna Biebow whom he married on 13/9/1711. She was the daughter of Detlef Biebow of Meeklenburg.
    Alt Death: 19 Jan 1732

    Die Odendaal stamvader, Wilhelm Odendaal van Keulen het in 1706 as 'n soldaat in die Kaap aangekom. Hy trou op 13 September 1711 met Susanna BIEBOUW ook gespel Bibault, Biboud en Bibout), erkende voordogter van Dietlof Bibouw van Meckelenburg en die slawevrou Diana van Madagascar. Susanna was gebore 23 Februarie 1687. Haar moeder was ook bekend as Diana van de Kaap, sy was 'n slavin van Cornelis Linnes.

    KINDERS
    Engela * 11 Oktober 1711, X 7 Apr 1737 Barend de Klerk
    Maria 1712
    Willem 10 Nov 1715, X 9 Apr 1745 Magdalena le Roux

    Hulle dogter Engela en trou in 1737 met Barend de Klerk, seun van die de Klerk stamvader Abraham de Klerk. Afstammelinge van Barend het dus 'n slawevoorouer. Dit sluit eks-Pres de Klerk in.

    Wilhelm Odendaal trou later met Judith NEL en hulle het meer Odendaal nasate gehad wat geen verbintenis met Diana van Madagscar gehad het nie.

    Bronne:
    Eben de Klerk "Meer oor Susanna Biebouw" XXIX/1992 pg 60- 63
    Saamgestel deur:
    AM van Rensburg

    Die Odendaal stamvader, Wilhelm Odendaal van Keulen het in 1706 as 'n soldaat in die Kaap aangekom. Hy trou op 13 September 1711 met Susanna BIEBOUW ook gespel Bibault, Biboud en Bibout), erkende voordogter van Dietlof Bibouw van Meckelenburg en die slawevrou Diana van Madagascar. Susanna was gebore gebore 23 Februarie 1687. Haar moeder was ook bekend as Diana van de Kaap, sy was 'n slavin van Cornelis Linnes.

    Died:
    Alternative date: 19.1.1732

    Wilhelm married Judith NEL, a1b7 on 11 Nov 1717 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Judith (daughter of Guillaume NEL, a1 and Jeanne DE LA BATTE) was born on 23 Aug 1697 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 3 Aug 1698 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 23 Feb 1748 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Judith NEL, a1b7 was born on 23 Aug 1697 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 3 Aug 1698 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Guillaume NEL, a1 and Jeanne DE LA BATTE); died on 23 Feb 1748 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Source Ursula Smith

    Children:
    1. 1. Willem ODENDA(A)L(L), b3 was born on 23 Oct 1715 in South Africa; was christened on 10 Nov 1715 in Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.


Generation: 3

  1. 6.  Guillaume NEL, a1 was born about 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France (son of Guillaume NEL (NIEL) and Pn NEL, son of Guillaume NEL (NIEL)); died on 17 Jun 1738 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Fled from France from Rouen,Normandy before 1690 aboard the barque Borssenburg. Wife is Jeanne de la Batte. They have two daughters at that stage Jean and Jeanne. Tailor and farmer. Settled at Blouklip near Stellenbosch. He started signing his name as Willem Nel by 1703. By 1708 they have 12 children

    Hy en sy vrou het beide reeds voor die herroeping van die Edik van Nantes Frankryk verlaat. Hy was 'n kleremaker van Rouaan in Normandië en sy was van Saumur langs die Loire-rivier in Anjou afkomstig. Drie kinders, van wie die oudste klein oorlede is, is in Nederland gebore voor die gesin, wwarskynlik aan boord van die Borssenburg, na die Kaap vertrek het. Die gesin Neel het hul nie soos die meeste ander vlugtelinge in die Drakenstein gevestig nie, maar wel op die plaas Blouklip naby Stellenbosch. Hulle het ook gouer as die ander vlugtelinge vernederlands.

    French fugitive arrived at the Cape before 1690 with his wife Jeanne de la Batte from Saumur and their two children Jean and Jeanne. They later lived in "onder Stellenbosch" [lower Stellenbosch]



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    Hallo Fanie Blignaut...

    Luidens SAG (en Pama) is daar twee NEL stamvaders:

    1 Guillaume (Franse naam vir Willem) NEEL of NEL * ca 1663, Franse
    vlugteling van Rouaan, Normandïe, arriveer voor 1690 waarskynlik aan boord van die 'Borssenburg' met sy vrou en hul twee kinders, Jean en Jeanne, kleremaker en boer, vestig te Blouklip naby Stellenbosch, teen 1734 woon hy en sy vrou in die Kaapse distrik. Reeds in 1705 is hy as Willem NEL bekend en het hy sy naam so geteken + ca 1734 x Amsterdam, Nederland 3 Mei 1685 Jeanne (DE) LA BATTE * Samour langs die Loire-rivier ca 1663.

    2 Etienne NEL van Dauphiné * ca 1668, in 1693 soldaat in diens van VOC + ca 1738, woon op La Dauphiné, Franschhoek x Marie-Madeleine MARAIS * Hurepoix, suid van Parys ca 1682 + 7 Jul 1716.

    Groetnis...

    !Emmerentia van Rensburg Registers
    De Villiers/Pama p 623.Guillaume Niel of Nel, van Rouaan, gebore 1663; Franse vlugteling; aankoms voor 1690 met sy vrou Jeanne de la Batte, van Saumur en hul twee kinders, Jean en Jeanne. Hulle woon later onder Stellenbosch.
    Pama C., Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek, p. 233. Betekenis: Sons afgelei van Tonnel, 'n vorm van tonneau, d.i. ton. Niel word ook afgelei van Cornelius.
    Families 3 no 173 - stamboom opgestel deur Maria Eirene Oosthuizen, na die stamboom in 'n familiebybel van Louis Jacobus Nel, gedoop 15 Februarie 1778.
    Guillaume was 'n Franse vlugteling en kom op 12 Mei 1688 aan boord van die Borssenburg' aan die Kaap aan. Sy plaas, Blauwklip Stellenbosch (1690-1734) was gelee waar die spoorwegstasie van Wellington tans is. Hy was 'n kleremaker en die gesin was van die eerste Franse gesinne om te vernederlands.
    Le Roux/Lombard
    Hugenotebloed in ons are, p 28. Guillaume Neel en sy vrou Jeanne la Batte het beide reeds voor die herroeping van die Edik van Nantes Frankryk verlaat, want hulle trou op 3 Mei 1685 in Amsterdam, Nederland. Albei is in 1663 gebore.
    Guillaume was 'n kleremaker van Rouaan in Normandie en Jeanne was van Saumur langs die Loire-rivier in Anjou afkomstig. Drie kinders, van wie die oudste klein oorlede is, is in Nederland gebore voor die gesin, waarskynlik aan boord van die Borssenburg, na die Kaap vertrek het.
    Die gesin Neel het hul nie soos die meeste ander vlugtelinge in die Drakenstein gevestig nie, maar wel op die plaas Blouklip naby Stellenbosch.
    Hulle het ook gouer as die ander vlugtelinge vernederlands. Guillaume en sy vrou was die ouers van die volgende kinders:
    1 David (1686) klein dood
    2 Jean (1687) x Suzanne Fourie
    3 Jeanne (1688) x Peter Peil xx Barne Peters
    4 Esaie (1691) x Margaretha Beyers, wed. Oelofse
    5 Cornelia (1694) x Adriaan van Jaarsveld
    6 Willem (1696) x Suzanna Lombard, wed. Durand
    7 Judith (1698) x Wilhelm Odendall
    8 Elias (1701) x Anna Jacoba Coetsee xx Anne Vivier 9 Adriaan (1703) x Catharina Appel
    10 Pieter (1704) x Aletta van Deventer
    11 Hester (1706) x Pieter Venter
    Guillame Neel is in 1734 oorlede. Sy oudste oorlewende seun, Jean (1687-1740)
    trou in 1716 met die sewentienjarige Suzanne Fourie. Hulle boer in die distrik Stellenbosch en word die ouers van sewe kinders. In 1742 trou Suzanne met Christian Ernst Schutte by wie sy nog een seun het. Die nageslag van die seuns Esaie (1691) en Willem (1696) het blykbaar in die manlike lyn uitgesterf, terwyl Elias (1701) die vader word van twee seuns uit sy tweede huwelik in 1733 met Anne Vivier. Adriaan Nel (1703-1769) se huwelik in 1725 met Catharina Appel was met elf kinders geseen, terwyl sy broer Pieter * 1704, ook in 1725 trou met
    Aletta van Deventer en die vader van tien kinders word.
    Families 8 no. 117 - Samesteller Joseph Petrus Jooste geb. 4 Junie 1900 in samewerking met Claudie Jooste.

    Volgens Pama II was sy van ook Niel gespel en was hy van Rouaan (Rouen?) afkomstig. Hy kom as Franse vlugteling voor 1690 met sy vrou en twee kinders Jean en Jeanne in die Kaap aan. Hulle woon later in Stellenbosch.

    A French Huguenot who was a tailor and a farmer arrived in the
    Cape on 5 Jun 1688, on De Schelde that had left Amsterdam on 19
    Feb 1688. In 1690 the farm 'Blaauklip' in Wamakersvallei was
    allotted to him, and in 1711 the farm 'Bootmansdrift' in
    Drakenstein. This farm is the site of the present day Wellington
    railway station.

    According to shipping records De Schelde belonged to the Chamber
    of Zeeland. Left Vlissingen on 19 Feb 1688 and arrived in Table
    Bay on 29 May 1688. 140 feet long. No deaths or sickness on
    board; put into St Jago for repairs 22-30 Jun 1688


    Hugenoot van Rouen, Normandië, Frankryk na SA in 1690 met vrou en 2 kinders Kleremaker en boer

    Willem, 'n kleremaker van beroep, was van Rouaan en het op Blaauklippen geboer wat hy van Gerrit Jansz Visser c1690 gekoop het. Hy was getroud met Jeanne de la Batte van Saumur.

    ---------------------------
    Maurice Boucher, French Speakers at the Cape, Univ of SA, 1981, p.125

    wat gewoonlik baie vertroubaar is:


    The Cape refugee Guillaume Néel, farmer and tailor, born about the year 1663, is known to have come from Rouen, although his name has not bee found among the Néels who worshipped at Grand-Queville. He took refuge in Amsterdam before the revocation of the edict of Nantes and married Jeanne la Batte in that city on May 3, 1685. In addition to their children Jean and Jeanne born Amsterdam, they had a son David, baptised there on March 7, 1686, who must have died in infancey.
    Jeanne la Batte was born in 1663 at Saumur in Anjou.

    Sy bronne vir wat hierbo staan gee hy as:

    P.Kolbe, Naaukeurige en uitvorige beschrying van de Kaap de Goede
    Hoop, 1, p.104.

    J.L.M. Franken, Briefies en handtekenings van die Kaapse Hugenote,
    Tydskrif vir wetenskap en Kuns, VII, 1938-39, p.103

    MOOC 7/1/4, Testamenten 1726-1735: 141

    Botha, French Refugees, page 79

    Néels are frequent in the records of Dieppe and Luneray, which lay in
    the Rouen gereality in the Arques election (TT 264, XI, Rouen: May
    13, 1686, pp. 407-413 (AN)

    LESENS (comp.) Ms. Listes des Protestants : p. 79; Ms 1520, Registre
    de Luneray, I-III

    For Néels at Rouen see J. Bianquis and E.Lesens, La Revocation de
    l'Edit de Nantes a Rouen, p. 66

    Fichier, Waalse Kerken: Néel. For Jean Néel (Nel) see Stellenbosch, 18/5, Testamenten
    1720-1726: 43, Oct 6. 1724.

    See also J.Hoge. Bydraes tot die genealogie van ou Afrikaanse
    families, p. 99.


    Groete,

    Richard
    --
    Richard Ball
    Norfolk, England

    Guillaume married Jeanne DE LA BATTE on 3 May 1685 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. Jeanne (daughter of Jacques LA BAT and Susanna LAURENT) was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 7.  Jeanne DE LA BATTE was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France (daughter of Jacques LA BAT and Susanna LAURENT); died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Pama has her from "Saumur" (Vol 2, p. 623)

    !Emmerentia van Rensburg RegistersDe Villiers/Pama p 623. Huwelik met Guillaume Neel (Nel) Hugenotebloed in ons are, p 28, 165, 174 en 181. Huwelik C. Pama: Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek p 233. Huwelik Families 3 no 173 - stamboom opgestel deur Maria Eirene Oosthuizen, na die stamboom in 'n familiebybel van Louis Jacobus Nel, gedoop 15 Februarie 1778.Jeanne en haar man en twee kinders vlug via Amsterdam na die Kaap.Families 8 no. 117 - Samesteller Joseph Petrus Jooste geb. 4 Junie 1900 in
    samewerking met Claudie Jooste.Jeanne en Guillaume was die stamouers van die Nel/Nell geslagte.
    Volgens Pama II was sy afkomstig van Saumur. Hulle kinders Jean en Jeanne het hulle vergesel na die Kaap. Hulle woon later in Stellenbosch.

    Birth:
    Erasmus Register gives Saumeer, France

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jeanne de la BATTE Location: France

    Children:
    1. Jeanne (Johanna) NEL and died.
    2. Johanna (Jeanne) NEL, a1b3 was born in in Europe; and died.
    3. Johanna (Jeanne) NEL was born in in Europe; and died.
    4. David NEL was born in 1686; died in Child.
    5. Dawid NEL, a1b1 was born on 7 Mar 1686 in Netherlands; died in Young in Netherlands.
    6. Jean (Jan) NEL, a1b2 was born about 1687 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened in 1687; died in 1740 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    7. Johanna NEL, a1b3 was born in 1688 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Jeanne NEL was born in 1689 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    9. Esaias (Izak) NEL, a1b4 was born on 3 Aug 1690 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 May 1691 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 3 Mar 1745 in Cape, South Africa.
    10. Esias NEL, b3 was born on 27 May 1691 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    11. Cornelia NEL, a1b5 was born in 1694 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened in 1694 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in 1755-1756 in Cape, South Africa.
    12. Willem NEL, a1b6 was born in 1696 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened in 1696; died in 1764 in South Africa.
    13. 3. Judith NEL, a1b7 was born on 23 Aug 1697 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 3 Aug 1698 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 23 Feb 1748 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    14. Elias NEL, a1b8 was born in 1701 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 28 Jul 1701 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    15. Adriaan NEL, a1b9 was born in 1703 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1703 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in Feb 1769 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    16. Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 was born in 1704-1705 in Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1704 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    17. Hester NEL, a1b11 was born in 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 1 Aug 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in 1785-1786 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.
    18. Jeanne NEL was born on 1 Jan 1708 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.


Generation: 4

  1. 12.  Guillaume NEL (NIEL) was born in 1639; died in in France.

    Notes:

    Quoted in Pama (Vol 2 p.630) Botha suspects that he is a brother ofthe "stamvader" Guillaume. Based on this I have put them under one "father" Nel.

    Children:
    1. 6. Guillaume NEL, a1 was born about 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; died on 17 Jun 1738 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

  2. 14.  Jacques LA BAT was born in in France; and died.

    Jacques married Susanna LAURENT. Susanna was born in in France; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 15.  Susanna LAURENT was born in in France; and died.
    Children:
    1. 7. Jeanne DE LA BATTE was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa.


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