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Jacobus Albertus VAN ZYL, b4c3d7

Jacobus Albertus VAN ZYL, b4c3d7

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Jacobus Albertus VAN ZYL, b4c3d7 was born in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); was christened on 3 Oct 1772 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl) (son of Frederik VAN ZYL, b4c3 and Cornelia NEL); and died.

    Notes:

    Burger Swellendam

    Jacobus married Martha Magdalena ROSSOUW, b8c1d3e3 on 22 Jan 1797 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Martha (daughter of Pieter ROSSOUW, b9c1d3 and Aletta Johanna VAN EMMENES) was christened on 12 Nov 1780; died in in South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jacobus Albertus van ZYL, b4c3d7 Date: 22 Jan 1799 Location: Cape Town, Cape, South Africa

    Children:
    1. Petrus Jacobus VAN ZYL was born in in Plattekloof, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 4 Dec 1803 in Swellendam, Cape, South Africa; and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Frederik VAN ZYL, b4c3 was born in in Swellendam, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 11 Nov 1736 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl) (son of Gideon VAN ZYL, b4 and Maria Elisabeth VAN E(E)DEN, b3c1); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Burger Swellendam

    Frederik married Cornelia NEL on 1 Mar 1761 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa. Cornelia (daughter of Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 and Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3) was born on 27 Nov 1740 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 Nov 1740; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Cornelia NEL was born on 27 Nov 1740 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 Nov 1740 (daughter of Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 and Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3); died in in Cape, South Africa.
    Children:
    1. Maria Elizabeth VAN ZYL, b4c3d2 was christened on 1 Apr 1764; died in in South Africa.
    2. Gideon VAN ZYL was christened on 15 Dec 1765; and died.
    3. Gerrit VAN ZYL was christened on 29 Sep 1771; and died.
    4. 1. Jacobus Albertus VAN ZYL, b4c3d7 was born in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); was christened on 3 Oct 1772 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.
    5. Johannes Petrus VAN ZYL was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 24 Dec 1775; died in in Cape, South Africa.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Gideon VAN ZYL, b4 was born in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); was christened on 9 Dec 1703 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl) (son of Willem VAN ZYL(ZUY)(ZIJL), progenitor and Christina VAN LOUWEREN(LOVEREN)); died in in South Africa.

    Notes:

    Burger Drakenstein

    Gideon married Maria Elisabeth VAN E(E)DEN, b3c1 on 20 Nov 1729 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl). Maria (daughter of Jacobus VAN E(E)DEN, b3 and Regina Christina DEETLOF(DIETLOF), a9b2) was born about 1708 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 19 Apr 1711 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Maria Elisabeth VAN E(E)DEN, b3c1 was born about 1708 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 19 Apr 1711 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Jacobus VAN E(E)DEN, b3 and Regina Christina DEETLOF(DIETLOF), a9b2); and died.

    Notes:

    b3c1

    Children:
    1. Regina Christina VAN ZYL and died.
    2. Willem Jan VAN ZYL, b4c1 was christened on 31 Aug 1732 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.
    3. Jacobus VAN ZYL, b4c2 was christened on 7 Nov 1734 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.
    4. 2. Frederik VAN ZYL, b4c3 was born in in Swellendam, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 11 Nov 1736 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in in Cape, South Africa.
    5. Jacobus Albertus VAN ZYL, b4c4 was born in in Swellendam, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 4 Oct 1738; died in in South Africa.
    6. Johannes VAN ZYL, b4c5 was born about 1741; was christened on 1 Apr 1741 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.
    7. Christina Johanna VAN ZYL, b4c6 was christened on 12 Aug 1742; and died.
    8. Regina Catharina VAN ZYL, b4c7 was christened on 2 Oct 1746 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.
    9. Maria Elisabeth VAN ZYL, b4c8 was christened on 25 Dec 1748 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.
    10. Gideon VAN ZYL, b4c9 was christened on 2 Jul 1752 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); and died.

  3. 6.  Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 was born in 1704-1705 in Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1704 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (son of Guillaume NEL, a1 and Jeanne DE LA BATTE); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    a1b10 Negende kind en seun van die Hugenoot Guillaume Niel (Nel) en Jeanne de la Batte (Bat). Uit Pieter Willem se huwelik is 10 kinders gebore.

    Pama II lys 'n "?" agter sy voorname op p628.
    !SAG vol 6 page 134 b10

    Pieter married Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3 on 8 Apr 1725 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Altijn (daughter of Gerrit Janse (Jansz) VAN DEVENTER, progenitor and Adriana JACOBS) was christened on 27 Jun 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3 was christened on 27 Jun 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Gerrit Janse (Jansz) VAN DEVENTER, progenitor and Adriana JACOBS); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    In die Stellenbosche Doopregister word die volgende aangegee;
    as vader: gerreijt ijansen van dieuenter, moeder: aerijaentijen ijacops
    en as getuies: ijan botma en marija helms
    Haar naam word ook aangegee as Aletta.
    KAB-MOOC-7/1/13-8-1760. KAB-MOOC-7/1/31-39-1774.

    !SAG vol 6 page 134 wife of b10 and vol 2 page 67 b3

    Children:
    1. Adriana NEL, b9c1 was christened on 31 Mar 1726; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Willem NEL, a1b10c2 was born before 10 Aug 1727; was christened on 10 Aug 1727; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    3. Gerrit NEL, b9c3 was christened on 12 Dec 1728; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    4. Johanna NEL, a1b10c4 was born in 1730; was christened on 24 Dec 1730; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    5. Pieter NEL, b10c5 was born in 1732; was christened on 31 Aug 1732 in Swellendam, Cape, South Africa; died in 1779 in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Jacomina NEL, b10c6 was christened on 24 Apr 1734; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    7. Jan NEL was born on 26 Feb 1736; was christened on 26 Feb 1736; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Gesina NEL was christened on 6 Apr 1738; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    9. 3. Cornelia NEL was born on 27 Nov 1740 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 Nov 1740; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    10. Johannes NEL was born before 13 Jan 1743; was christened on 13 Jan 1743; died in in Cape, South Africa.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Willem VAN ZYL(ZUY)(ZIJL), progenitor was born in 1666 in Haarlem, Delft, Netherlands (son of Willem VAN ZIJL and Aeltgen Pieters VAN ADEGEEST); died on 8 Mar 1727 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    (Research):Verkoop op 19 Oktober 1728 aan G. van der Byl.

    Arrived 23 January 1699, with wife and 2 children, in the same convoy of ships that brought WA van der Stel.

    He is mentioned as burger of Stellenbosch in 1692.
    Willem is die stamvader van die van Zyl's in Suid Afrika.

    Kom in 1698 aan die Kaap, as onderbaatuinier van die Hollandse Oos Indiese Kompanjie


    From: "Wendy Perry"
    To:
    Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:27 AM
    Subject: [GenForum] Albertus VAN ZYL x Martha VIVIERS

    Hallo almal,
    Ek is 'n afstammeling van Albertus VAN ZYL en Martha VIVIERS (deur hul dogter Christina VAN ZYL x Andries HOUGH). Kan iemand my miskien help met die datums van Christina en haar ouers? Was haar ouers die stamvader en moeder?

    Groete
    Wendy

    From: jean_leroux
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] Albertus VAN ZYL x Martha VIVIERS
    Date: 28 September 2001 08:31

    Wendy,
    Die Van Zyl stamouers was Willem van Zyl en Christina van Loveren, Hulle kom in 1699 van Haarlem met twee kinders na die Kaap.Willem(1668-1727) was eers die V.O.C. se tuinier aan die Kaap, maar koop in 1702 Jacques de Savoye se plaas
    Vrede-en-Lust in Simondium. Hul oudste seun Albertus is in 1797 in Holland gebore. Hy x 06.03 1729 te Drakenstein met Marthe Viviers=29.09.1711, dv.Abraham Vivier(1654-1713) en Jacquemine des Pres(1679-1715) Hul dogter Christina se doopinskrywing is nog nie opgespoor nie, maar wel haar troue op 01.09.1765 te Tulbagh met Andreas Hauk, kneg by Dawid van der Merwe.
    Jean le Roux Paarl

    From: Lucas Rinken
    To:
    Subject: RE: [GenForum] Albertus VAN ZYL x Martha VIVIERS
    Date: 30 September 2001 08:06

    Naand Jean,
    Dankie vir jou antwoord en die verdere inligting. Ek het toe onthou van 'n inwoner hier in ons Oord wat vir my die van Zyl boek geleen het en waarvan ek al vergeet het. Ek het toe gou vir Willem van Zyl opgesoek en op bladsy 50 van die boek staan:
    "Willem van Zijl, wat hom in 1698 na Suid-Afrika sou begewe om stamvader van 'n talryke familie te word, is in die jaar 1668 in Delft, Nederland, gebore.
    Hy was die derde seun van Willem van Zijl, die tingieter, by sy tweede vrou, Aeltgen Pieters van Adegeest. Die vader was toe ongeveer 44 jaar oud en die moeder in haar dertigerjare."
    Hoe dink jy, sou die moeder se van nou Pieters gewees het of dui dit op haar pa? Of is haar van, van Adegeest? Dit klink tog nie vir my na die naam van 'n plek nie.

    Nogmaals dankie,

    Groete,

    Lucas.

    From: Lucas Rinken
    To:
    Subject: RE: [GenForum] Albertus VAN ZYL x Martha VIVIERS
    Date: 30 September 2001 08:06

    Naand vriende en veral Jean,
    Ek kon verder op bladsy 59 kry dat Willem van Zijl se vrou, Christina van Looveren op 7 Junie 1673 in die Oude Kerk, Amsterdam gedoop is as die dogter van Jan Juriaensz en Annetje Jans. Tien jaar vroeër op 10 Junie 1663, is Jan en Annetje in die Oude Kerk van Amsterdam getroud, nadat hulle op 27 Mei 1663 gebooie opgegee het. Bladsy 60 - Jan is uit die Oude Kerk begrawe op 1 Junie 1676 en Annetjie op 25 Oktober 1680.

    Groete,

    Lucas.

    Waveren-boek suggereer dat hy in 1666 vanaf Delft aan die Kaap aangekom het...

    Wendy,
    Die Van Zyl stamouers was Willem van Zyl en Christina van Loveren, Hulle kom in 1699 van Haarlem met twee kinders na die Kaap.Willem(1668-1727) was eers die V.O.C. se tuinier aan die Kaap, maar koop in 1702 Jacques de Savoye se plaas Vrede-en-Lust in Simondium. Hul oudste seun Albertus is in 1797 in Holland gebore. Hy x 06.03 1729 te Drakenstein met Marthe Viviers=29.09.1711, dv.Abraham Vivier(1654-1713) en Jacquemine des Pres(1679-1715) Hul dogter Christina se doopinskrywing is nog nie opgespoor nie, maar wel haar troue op 01.09.1765 te Tulbagh met Andreas Hauk, kneg by Dawid van der Merwe.
    Jean le Roux Paarl

    Waveren-boek suggereer dat hy in 1666 vanaf Delft aan die Kaap aangekom het...

    Willem married Christina VAN LOUWEREN(LOVEREN) on 28 Nov 1694 in De Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, Netherlands. Christina (daughter of Jan Juriansz VAN LOUWEREN and Annetje JANS, daughter of Jan Juriansz VAN LOUWEREN and Annetje JANS) was born in 1673 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 7 Jun 1673 in De Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, Netherlands; died on 2 Dec 1729 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Christina VAN LOUWEREN(LOVEREN) was born in 1673 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 7 Jun 1673 in De Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, Netherlands (daughter of Jan Juriansz VAN LOUWEREN and Annetje JANS, daughter of Jan Juriansz VAN LOUWEREN and Annetje JANS); died on 2 Dec 1729 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Van Amsterdam in Nederland.

    From: "Rina Kroes"
    To:
    Subject: [GenForum] Re: VAN LOVEREN
    Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 6:08 PM

    Baie dankie, Richard!

    Christina van Loveren van Amsterdam (1675 - 1728) was my 7de oumagrootjie, getroud met Willem van Zijl van Delft (1666-1726).

    Dit wil my voorkom asof hulle in Delft getroud was en saam in die Kaap aangekom het rondom 1698. Ek kan egter nog nie vasstel op watter van die skepe hulle gekom het nie.

    Groetnis
    Rina

    In GenForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Y Ford"
    wrote:

    Hallo Rina Kroes...

    Hier's jou vertaling:

    "Aan die oewer van die Breede-rivier, 160 km oos van Kaapstad, was daar 'n groot volstruisplaas genaamd Goudmyn. Soos bepaal deur 'n testament moes die plaas verkoop word. In 1937 koop Nicolaas RETIEF 28 hektaar vir sy seun Hennie en noem dit Goudmyn F. (F=Farm?=plaas). Hierdie onoorspronklike naam het Hennie se vrou, Jean, nie geval nie en sy het in haar geskiedenis gesoek vir 'n meer passende naam.

    Jean se voorvader, Guillame VAN ZYL en sy bruid Christina VAN LOVEREN, het in 1699 in Kaapstad aangekom. Aangesien Jean die pragtige mahonie-kis waarin Christina haar besittings na Suid-Afrika gebring het van Christina geërf en as 'n kosbare besitting beskou het, oortuig sy haar man om die nuwe plaas na die oorspronklike eienaar van die kis te vernoem. Jean het oor die jare 'n verskeidenheid bome om die kelder geplant. Gevolglik bestaan daar vandag 'n heerlike, skaduryke, park. Veel van die bome is spesiaal aangeplant ter verering van gewone burgers sowel as politici, nie net ter herinnering aan seuns en kleinkinders nie,maar ook in herinnering aan spesiale geleenthede soos die einde van die tweede wêreldoorlog en toe Nelson Mandela verkies is as staatspresident van Suid-Afrika."

    Van Loveren is natuurlik steeds in besit van die RETIEF familie. Een van my gunsteling besoeke wanneer ek in die Kaap kuier maar ek verstaan veel skade is daar aangerig gedurende die onlangse vloede in die omgewing.

    Groetnis...

    Richard Y Ford
    PO Box 794 Randpark Ridge 2156
    Tel/fax 011-791-5058
    Cell 073-250-6208

    Children:
    1. Hendrina VAN ZYL died in in South Africa.
    2. Albertus VAN ZYL, b2 was born in 1698 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    3. Wilhelmina VAN ZYL, a1b1 was born about 1699 in Haarlem, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 21 Oct 1695 in 'Stasie St. Anna', Haarlem, Netherlands; died in Aug 1778 in Cape, South Africa.
    4. Johannes VAN ZYL, b3 was christened on 4 Jul 1700 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    5. 4. Gideon VAN ZYL, b4 was born in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); was christened on 9 Dec 1703 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in in South Africa.
    6. Pieter VAN ZYL(ZIJL), b5 was born before 12 Dec 1706 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); was christened on 12 Dec 1706 in Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    7. Hester VAN ZYL, b6 was born in 1708; was christened on 20 Apr 1709 in Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Christina VAN ZYL, b7 was born in 1709 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 14 Sep 1709 in Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    9. Johanna VAN ZYL, b8 was born in 1718; was christened on 11 Dec 1718 in Cape, South Africa; and died.

  3. 10.  Jacobus VAN E(E)DEN, b3 was born est 1690 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 13 Feb 1692 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa (son of Jan Janse VAN E(E)DEN, progenitor and Maria ROUSSEAU); died in 1713 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Alt Christening: 13 Mar 1692

    Jacobus married Regina Christina DEETLOF(DIETLOF), a9b2 about 1710 in Cape, South Africa. Regina (daughter of Johan Andresen JONKER, a9 and Elisabeth JANSEN) was born on 13 Feb 1692 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 11 May 1692; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Regina Christina DEETLOF(DIETLOF), a9b2 was born on 13 Feb 1692 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 11 May 1692 (daughter of Johan Andresen JONKER, a9 and Elisabeth JANSEN); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    From: jean_leroux
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] Jacobus van Eeden b3
    Date: 19 January 2002 01:57

    Lucas,Regina Christina Deetlof en Regina Jonker was een en dieselfde persoon. Syis*11.05.1692 as dogter van die Jonker Johann Andresen van Kaliningrad(vroeer bekend as Konigsberg in Oos-Pruise) en Elisabeth Jansen. Jonkershoekin Stellenbossh is na haar pa vernoem. Sy x ca.1710 met Jacobus vanEeden(1692-1713), en woon later in die Roodesand- omgewing, waar sy dienaam Deetlof gebruik. Die troue van haar dogter Maria Elisabeth van Eeden op20.11.1729 met Gideon van Zyl is aangeteken in Drakenstein, waarvanRoodesand destyds deel was.So ook die troue van haar dogter Catharina op04.03.1742 met Johann Christoph Dietloff van Stettyn- geen verband metDeetlefs nie.Deel van hierdie gegewens is ontvang van wyle dr. JA Heese nadie verskyning van SAG2. Sien ook Hoge "Personalia of the Germans at the
    Cape".
    Groete,
    Jean le Roux Paarl

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    From: "Jean_leroux"
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] Regina Christina DEETLOF
    Date: Thursday, 24 April, 2003 8:12 PM

    Alta,Ek het die saak jare gelede met wyle Dr JA Heese uitgeklaar. Jacobus vanEeden se enigste vrou was Regina Christina Andresen, dogter van JohannAndresen, ook bekend as Jan de Jonker, en sy vrou Elisabeth Jansen. VolgensDr. Heese het sy later haar skoonseun se familienaam aangeneem.
    Vriendelike Groete,
    Jean le Roux Paarl
    -

    Children:
    1. 5. Maria Elisabeth VAN E(E)DEN, b3c1 was born about 1708 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 19 Apr 1711 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    2. Catharina VAN E(E)DEN, b3c2 was born in 1712 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 24 Jul 1712; died in 1758 in Cape, South Africa.

  5. 12.  Guillaume NEL, a1 was born about 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France (son of Guillaume NEL (NIEL) and Pn NEL, son of Guillaume NEL (NIEL)); died on 17 Jun 1738 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Fled from France from Rouen,Normandy before 1690 aboard the barque Borssenburg. Wife is Jeanne de la Batte. They have two daughters at that stage Jean and Jeanne. Tailor and farmer. Settled at Blouklip near Stellenbosch. He started signing his name as Willem Nel by 1703. By 1708 they have 12 children

    Hy en sy vrou het beide reeds voor die herroeping van die Edik van Nantes Frankryk verlaat. Hy was 'n kleremaker van Rouaan in Normandië en sy was van Saumur langs die Loire-rivier in Anjou afkomstig. Drie kinders, van wie die oudste klein oorlede is, is in Nederland gebore voor die gesin, wwarskynlik aan boord van die Borssenburg, na die Kaap vertrek het. Die gesin Neel het hul nie soos die meeste ander vlugtelinge in die Drakenstein gevestig nie, maar wel op die plaas Blouklip naby Stellenbosch. Hulle het ook gouer as die ander vlugtelinge vernederlands.

    French fugitive arrived at the Cape before 1690 with his wife Jeanne de la Batte from Saumur and their two children Jean and Jeanne. They later lived in "onder Stellenbosch" [lower Stellenbosch]



    Richard Y Ford
    PO Box 794 Randpark Ridge 2156
    Tel/fax 011-791-5058
    Cell 073-250-6208


    Hallo Fanie Blignaut...

    Luidens SAG (en Pama) is daar twee NEL stamvaders:

    1 Guillaume (Franse naam vir Willem) NEEL of NEL * ca 1663, Franse
    vlugteling van Rouaan, Normandïe, arriveer voor 1690 waarskynlik aan boord van die 'Borssenburg' met sy vrou en hul twee kinders, Jean en Jeanne, kleremaker en boer, vestig te Blouklip naby Stellenbosch, teen 1734 woon hy en sy vrou in die Kaapse distrik. Reeds in 1705 is hy as Willem NEL bekend en het hy sy naam so geteken + ca 1734 x Amsterdam, Nederland 3 Mei 1685 Jeanne (DE) LA BATTE * Samour langs die Loire-rivier ca 1663.

    2 Etienne NEL van Dauphiné * ca 1668, in 1693 soldaat in diens van VOC + ca 1738, woon op La Dauphiné, Franschhoek x Marie-Madeleine MARAIS * Hurepoix, suid van Parys ca 1682 + 7 Jul 1716.

    Groetnis...

    !Emmerentia van Rensburg Registers
    De Villiers/Pama p 623.Guillaume Niel of Nel, van Rouaan, gebore 1663; Franse vlugteling; aankoms voor 1690 met sy vrou Jeanne de la Batte, van Saumur en hul twee kinders, Jean en Jeanne. Hulle woon later onder Stellenbosch.
    Pama C., Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek, p. 233. Betekenis: Sons afgelei van Tonnel, 'n vorm van tonneau, d.i. ton. Niel word ook afgelei van Cornelius.
    Families 3 no 173 - stamboom opgestel deur Maria Eirene Oosthuizen, na die stamboom in 'n familiebybel van Louis Jacobus Nel, gedoop 15 Februarie 1778.
    Guillaume was 'n Franse vlugteling en kom op 12 Mei 1688 aan boord van die Borssenburg' aan die Kaap aan. Sy plaas, Blauwklip Stellenbosch (1690-1734) was gelee waar die spoorwegstasie van Wellington tans is. Hy was 'n kleremaker en die gesin was van die eerste Franse gesinne om te vernederlands.
    Le Roux/Lombard
    Hugenotebloed in ons are, p 28. Guillaume Neel en sy vrou Jeanne la Batte het beide reeds voor die herroeping van die Edik van Nantes Frankryk verlaat, want hulle trou op 3 Mei 1685 in Amsterdam, Nederland. Albei is in 1663 gebore.
    Guillaume was 'n kleremaker van Rouaan in Normandie en Jeanne was van Saumur langs die Loire-rivier in Anjou afkomstig. Drie kinders, van wie die oudste klein oorlede is, is in Nederland gebore voor die gesin, waarskynlik aan boord van die Borssenburg, na die Kaap vertrek het.
    Die gesin Neel het hul nie soos die meeste ander vlugtelinge in die Drakenstein gevestig nie, maar wel op die plaas Blouklip naby Stellenbosch.
    Hulle het ook gouer as die ander vlugtelinge vernederlands. Guillaume en sy vrou was die ouers van die volgende kinders:
    1 David (1686) klein dood
    2 Jean (1687) x Suzanne Fourie
    3 Jeanne (1688) x Peter Peil xx Barne Peters
    4 Esaie (1691) x Margaretha Beyers, wed. Oelofse
    5 Cornelia (1694) x Adriaan van Jaarsveld
    6 Willem (1696) x Suzanna Lombard, wed. Durand
    7 Judith (1698) x Wilhelm Odendall
    8 Elias (1701) x Anna Jacoba Coetsee xx Anne Vivier 9 Adriaan (1703) x Catharina Appel
    10 Pieter (1704) x Aletta van Deventer
    11 Hester (1706) x Pieter Venter
    Guillame Neel is in 1734 oorlede. Sy oudste oorlewende seun, Jean (1687-1740)
    trou in 1716 met die sewentienjarige Suzanne Fourie. Hulle boer in die distrik Stellenbosch en word die ouers van sewe kinders. In 1742 trou Suzanne met Christian Ernst Schutte by wie sy nog een seun het. Die nageslag van die seuns Esaie (1691) en Willem (1696) het blykbaar in die manlike lyn uitgesterf, terwyl Elias (1701) die vader word van twee seuns uit sy tweede huwelik in 1733 met Anne Vivier. Adriaan Nel (1703-1769) se huwelik in 1725 met Catharina Appel was met elf kinders geseen, terwyl sy broer Pieter * 1704, ook in 1725 trou met
    Aletta van Deventer en die vader van tien kinders word.
    Families 8 no. 117 - Samesteller Joseph Petrus Jooste geb. 4 Junie 1900 in samewerking met Claudie Jooste.

    Volgens Pama II was sy van ook Niel gespel en was hy van Rouaan (Rouen?) afkomstig. Hy kom as Franse vlugteling voor 1690 met sy vrou en twee kinders Jean en Jeanne in die Kaap aan. Hulle woon later in Stellenbosch.

    A French Huguenot who was a tailor and a farmer arrived in the
    Cape on 5 Jun 1688, on De Schelde that had left Amsterdam on 19
    Feb 1688. In 1690 the farm 'Blaauklip' in Wamakersvallei was
    allotted to him, and in 1711 the farm 'Bootmansdrift' in
    Drakenstein. This farm is the site of the present day Wellington
    railway station.

    According to shipping records De Schelde belonged to the Chamber
    of Zeeland. Left Vlissingen on 19 Feb 1688 and arrived in Table
    Bay on 29 May 1688. 140 feet long. No deaths or sickness on
    board; put into St Jago for repairs 22-30 Jun 1688


    Hugenoot van Rouen, Normandië, Frankryk na SA in 1690 met vrou en 2 kinders Kleremaker en boer

    Willem, 'n kleremaker van beroep, was van Rouaan en het op Blaauklippen geboer wat hy van Gerrit Jansz Visser c1690 gekoop het. Hy was getroud met Jeanne de la Batte van Saumur.

    ---------------------------
    Maurice Boucher, French Speakers at the Cape, Univ of SA, 1981, p.125

    wat gewoonlik baie vertroubaar is:


    The Cape refugee Guillaume Néel, farmer and tailor, born about the year 1663, is known to have come from Rouen, although his name has not bee found among the Néels who worshipped at Grand-Queville. He took refuge in Amsterdam before the revocation of the edict of Nantes and married Jeanne la Batte in that city on May 3, 1685. In addition to their children Jean and Jeanne born Amsterdam, they had a son David, baptised there on March 7, 1686, who must have died in infancey.
    Jeanne la Batte was born in 1663 at Saumur in Anjou.

    Sy bronne vir wat hierbo staan gee hy as:

    P.Kolbe, Naaukeurige en uitvorige beschrying van de Kaap de Goede
    Hoop, 1, p.104.

    J.L.M. Franken, Briefies en handtekenings van die Kaapse Hugenote,
    Tydskrif vir wetenskap en Kuns, VII, 1938-39, p.103

    MOOC 7/1/4, Testamenten 1726-1735: 141

    Botha, French Refugees, page 79

    Néels are frequent in the records of Dieppe and Luneray, which lay in
    the Rouen gereality in the Arques election (TT 264, XI, Rouen: May
    13, 1686, pp. 407-413 (AN)

    LESENS (comp.) Ms. Listes des Protestants : p. 79; Ms 1520, Registre
    de Luneray, I-III

    For Néels at Rouen see J. Bianquis and E.Lesens, La Revocation de
    l'Edit de Nantes a Rouen, p. 66

    Fichier, Waalse Kerken: Néel. For Jean Néel (Nel) see Stellenbosch, 18/5, Testamenten
    1720-1726: 43, Oct 6. 1724.

    See also J.Hoge. Bydraes tot die genealogie van ou Afrikaanse
    families, p. 99.


    Groete,

    Richard
    --
    Richard Ball
    Norfolk, England

    Guillaume married Jeanne DE LA BATTE on 3 May 1685 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. Jeanne (daughter of Jacques LA BAT and Susanna LAURENT) was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 13.  Jeanne DE LA BATTE was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France (daughter of Jacques LA BAT and Susanna LAURENT); died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Pama has her from "Saumur" (Vol 2, p. 623)

    !Emmerentia van Rensburg RegistersDe Villiers/Pama p 623. Huwelik met Guillaume Neel (Nel) Hugenotebloed in ons are, p 28, 165, 174 en 181. Huwelik C. Pama: Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek p 233. Huwelik Families 3 no 173 - stamboom opgestel deur Maria Eirene Oosthuizen, na die stamboom in 'n familiebybel van Louis Jacobus Nel, gedoop 15 Februarie 1778.Jeanne en haar man en twee kinders vlug via Amsterdam na die Kaap.Families 8 no. 117 - Samesteller Joseph Petrus Jooste geb. 4 Junie 1900 in
    samewerking met Claudie Jooste.Jeanne en Guillaume was die stamouers van die Nel/Nell geslagte.
    Volgens Pama II was sy afkomstig van Saumur. Hulle kinders Jean en Jeanne het hulle vergesel na die Kaap. Hulle woon later in Stellenbosch.

    Birth:
    Erasmus Register gives Saumeer, France

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jeanne de la BATTE Location: France

    Children:
    1. Jeanne (Johanna) NEL and died.
    2. Johanna (Jeanne) NEL, a1b3 was born in in Europe; and died.
    3. Johanna (Jeanne) NEL was born in in Europe; and died.
    4. David NEL was born in 1686; died in Child.
    5. Dawid NEL, a1b1 was born on 7 Mar 1686 in Netherlands; died in Young in Netherlands.
    6. Jean (Jan) NEL, a1b2 was born about 1687 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened in 1687; died in 1740 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    7. Johanna NEL, a1b3 was born in 1688 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Jeanne NEL was born in 1689 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    9. Esaias (Izak) NEL, a1b4 was born on 3 Aug 1690 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 May 1691 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 3 Mar 1745 in Cape, South Africa.
    10. Esias NEL, b3 was born on 27 May 1691 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    11. Cornelia NEL, a1b5 was born in 1694 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened in 1694 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in 1755-1756 in Cape, South Africa.
    12. Willem NEL, a1b6 was born in 1696 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened in 1696; died in 1764 in South Africa.
    13. Judith NEL, a1b7 was born on 23 Aug 1697 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 3 Aug 1698 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 23 Feb 1748 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    14. Elias NEL, a1b8 was born in 1701 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 28 Jul 1701 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    15. Adriaan NEL, a1b9 was born in 1703 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1703 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in Feb 1769 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    16. 6. Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 was born in 1704-1705 in Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1704 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    17. Hester NEL, a1b11 was born in 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 1 Aug 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in 1785-1786 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.
    18. Jeanne NEL was born on 1 Jan 1708 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.

  7. 14.  Gerrit Janse (Jansz) VAN DEVENTER, progenitor was born between 1655 and 1665 in Deventer, Overyssel, Netherlands; was christened on 15 Nov 1684 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa (son of Jan Pietersz VAN DEVENTER and Maria HOOGEBOOM, son of Jan Pietersz VAN DEVENTER and Maria HOOGEBOOM); died on 19 Apr 1728 in Zoetendal, Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Burger Stellenbosch

    DuPlooy.paf: Hy was afkomstig van die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Nederland. Vertrek as soldaat 19.12.1683 met die vaartuig 'de Juffrouw Anna" vanuit Texel na die Kaap. Hulle land 10.4.1684 aan die Kaap. Die eerste jare van sy verblyf het hy dan ook binne die kasteel deurgebring. Op 31.5.1686 word hy vryburger aan die Kaap.

    Gerrit Jansz, seun van Jan Pieters (Jan se zoon, vandaar Jansz), verlaat Veldcamp* (vermoedelik 'n soldatekamp), naby die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Holland op 11 Junie 1683 op pad na Amsterdam. Vandaar reis hy na die eiland Texel, hoofkantoor van die Verenigde Oos-Indiese Kompanjie om as soldaat diens te doen. Op 19 Desember 1683 vertrek hy met die skip "De Juffraauw Anna" na die Kaap de Goede Hoop. Jan Molenaer van de Reede, kaptein van die skip, woonagtig op Texel, was op reis na Batavia. Hulle land op 10 April 1684 aan die Kaap, 32 jaar en 4 dae na Jan van Riebeeck (aankoms 6 April 1652 in die Kaap), terwyl Simon van der Stel die goewerneur aan die Kaap was. Die eerste paar jaar doen hy diens as soldaat binne die kasteel en word vryburger op 31 Mei 1686. Daar word vermoed dat hy na hierdie datum die van "Van Deventer" (geografiese van) aangeneem het of toegeken is. Aan die begin van 1688 bevind hy hom nog steeds by die kasteel en besit 50 "schapen". In die huweliksakte verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz, van Veldcamp, vryburger uit Stellenbosch. By die doop van sy oudste dogter Jacomijntje in 1692 verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz van Deventer. Sover bekend het slegs Gerrit Jansz hier in Suid-Afrika die van Van Deventer aangeneem. Gerrit Jansz van Deventer sterf sonder 'n testament en daar word 'n inventaris van sy besittings gemaak. KAB-MOOC-13/1/1-18-(1709-1711).Dr. H.T. Colenbrander gee in sy boek, De Afkomst der Boeren, aan dat Gerrit Jansz van Duitse afkoms was. Veldcamp kon dus, as sy stelling korrek is, in Duitsland gewees het.

    Volgens Pama I was hy van Veldcamp afkomstig. Burger te Stellenbosch.

    Alt Death: 19 Apr 1728 Zoutendal, Stellenbosch
    Gerrit Jansz van DEVENTER het van Veldcamp in Nederlands na die Kaap gekom. Op 29 Oktober 1688 het hy getrou in Kaapstad met Ariaenje JACOBS, sy was 'n weesmeisie van Rotterdam. Sy was gedoop op 25 Desember 1670 en was die dogter van Jacob Abrahamse en Heyltjie Ariens.Ariaentjie Jacobs was een van 8 weesmeisies wat op die Skip Berg China na die Kaap gekom het. Sy was gedoop in die Gereformeerde Kerk in Rotterdam op 25 Desember 1670. Haar vader was Jacob die seun van Abraham en haar moeder was Heiltjie die dogter van Arie. Sy was 18 jaar oud toe sy van die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in Rotterdam na die Kaap gekom het.Johan van Deventer se navorsing meld dat, "Adriana Jacobs, dogter van Jacob Abrahamse en Heiltje Arijens, is gedoop te Rotterdam in Nederland op 25 Mei 1673. Haar ouer suster Ariaentje wat vroeer algemeen aangegee is as ons stammoeder, sterf op 2-jarige ouderdom en word op 16 November 1672 te Rotterdam begrawe. Op die ouderdom van 5 maande sterf Adriana se vader en op 8-jarige ouderdom sterf haar moeder. Sy word wees gelaat, met die adres Geertruidenberg wat sommer net "den Berg" genoem is. Sy beland in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in die Goudse Wagenstraat in Rotterdam, Nederland, en word die verkleinwoord Arijantgen of ook sommer Adriaantje genoem. In 1687 besluit die Here Sewentien om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur as vrouens vir die vryburgers. Saam met sewe ander weesmeisies vertrek sy op Saterdag 20 Maart 1688 vanuit Goere in Holland met die skip "Berg China" en arriveer in die Kaap op Woensdag 4 Augustus 1688."
    KINDERS
    b1 Jan Gerrit gedoop 21 Aug 1689, X 4 Okt 1711 Magdalena Brits
    b2 Jacomyntje gedoop 9 Maart 1692, X 27 Okt 1720 Cornelis van Rooyen, XX B Lindeque
    b3 Aletta gedoop 27 Jun 1700, X 8 Apr 1725 Pieter Willem Nel
    b4 Johanna Margaretha, X 14 Apr 1726 Philippus Snyman, XX 7 Apr 1735 Johan Heinrich Debes
    b5 Jacob * 1705, X 17 Apr 1735 Dorothea Coetzer, XX 15 Jan 1746 Martha Botha, XXX 13 Maart 1748 Hester van Jaarsveld
    b6 Geesje gedoop 18 Aug 1707
    b7 Hendrik * 1711b8 Gerrit gedoop Paarl 15 Mei 1713 (die moeder word nie genoem nie), X 30 Okt 1744 Rachel Joubert

    PLASE
    Gerrit het op Slot van die Paarl in Perdeberg geboer. Hy koop die plaas St Martyn in Noorder Paarl op 2 Augustus 1703 van Balthasar Weever. Van Deventer verkoop St Martyn op 30 Januarie 1709 aan Jacques Malan. Hierdie stamouers was die draers van 'n oorerflike siekte die volgende inligting het Anne Lehmkuhl vir my in Engels verskaf: Two of the founders of the European population in South Africa were Gerrit Jansz and his wife Ariaantje Jacobs. Pedigrees have traced the start of porphyria in South Africa to these two individuals. They had eight children, four of whom suffered from porphyria. A critical question asks which of the parents suffered from porphyria? Gerrit Jansz came from the Netherlands (the only other place in the world where porphyria is relatively common) and we know that Ariaantje's sister had a son with porphyria increasing the likelihood of Ariaantje having porphyria. It could even have been possible for both to have had it (What a coincidence!!!!) Draw a pedigree of Gerrit and Ariaantje's family. Assume for simplicity that only Gerrit suffered from porphyria and that he was heterozygous (Aa). Determine the genotypes for their eight children. Imagine that all of their children married non-affected individuals, and they each had four children. Determine the probability of Gerrit and Ariaantje's grandchildren having porphyria and assume that the probability expectations were met in reality. How many of Gerrit and Ariaantje's grandchildren suffer from porphyria? (Eight) If all the grandchildren married and had four children, how many of Gerrit and Ariaantje's great grandchildren would suffer from porphyria? (Sixteen)

    Sien Van Deventer D.& P. p.172. 29.10.1688 trou "Gerrit Janse van Veldcamp vryborger aan Stellenbos J.M. met Arriaantie Adriaanse van Rotteram J.D." Hy boer op Watervliet, Simondium
    Burger Stellenbosch

    DuPlooy.paf: Hy was afkomstig van die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Nederland. Vertrek as soldaat 19.12.1683 met die vaartuig 'de Juffrouw Anna" vanuit Texel na die Kaap. Hulle land 10.4.1684 aan die Kaap. Die eerste jare van sy verblyf het hy dan ook binne die kasteel deurgebring . Op 31.5.1686 word hy vryburger aan die Kaap.
    Gerrit Jansz, seun van Jan Pieters (Jan se zoon, vandaar Jansz), verlaat Veldcamp* (vermoedelik 'n soldatekamp), naby die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Holland op 11 Junie 1683 op pad na Amsterdam. Vandaar reis hy na die eiland Texel, hoofkantoor van die Verenigde Oos-Indiese Kompanjie om as soldaat diens te doen. Op 19 Desember 1683 vertrek hy met die skip "De Juffraauw Anna" na die Kaap de Goede Hoop. Jan Molenaer van de Reede, kaptein van die skip, woonagtig op Texel, was op reis na Batavia. Hulle land op 10 April 1684 aan die Kaap, 32 jaar en 4 dae na Jan van Riebeeck (aankoms 6 April 1652 in die Kaap), terwyl Simon van der Stel die goewerneur aan die Kaap was. Die eerste paar jaar doen hy diens as soldaat binne die kasteel en word vryburger op 31 Mei 1686. Daar word vermoed dat hy na hierdie datum die van "Van Deventer" (geografiese van) aangeneem het of toegeken is. Aan die begin van 1688 bevind hy hom nog steeds by die kasteel en besit 50 "schapen". In die huweliksakte verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz, van Veldcamp, vryburger uit Stellenbosch. By die doop van sy oudste dogter Jacomijntje in 1692 verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz van Deventer. Sover bekend het slegs Gerrit Jansz hier in Suid-Afrika die van Van Deventer aangeneem. Gerrit Jansz van Deventer sterf sonder 'n testament en daar word 'n inventaris van sy besittings gemaak. KAB-MOOC-13/1/1-18-(1709-1711).Dr. H.T. Colenbrander gee in sy boek, De Afkomst der Boeren, aan dat Gerrit Jansz van Duitse afkoms was. Veldcamp kon dus, as sy stelling korrek is, in Duitsland gewees het.

    Gerrit married Adriana JACOBS on 29 Oct 1688 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Adriana (daughter of Jacob ABRAHAMSE and Heiltje ARIENS) was born in 1670 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 25 Dec 1670 in Gereformeerde Kerk, Rotterdam, Netherlands; died on 16 Nov 1672 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 15.  Adriana JACOBS was born in 1670 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 25 Dec 1670 in Gereformeerde Kerk, Rotterdam, Netherlands (daughter of Jacob ABRAHAMSE and Heiltje ARIENS); died on 16 Nov 1672 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands.

    Notes:

    Arrived at the Cape on board the Berg China
    Orphan from Rotterdam; baptised as daugther of Jacob Abrahamse
    and Heyltje Ariens
    Haar vader was Jacob die seun van Abraham (Jacob Abrahamse) en haar ma was Heiltjie (ook Maritje genoem) die dogter van Arie van die Schiedamse Dyk, Rotterdam. Die moeder is dus Heiltjie Ariens. So staan Ariaentjie tot die dood van haar vader bekend as Ariaentjie Jacobs, en daarna met die matroniem benaming Adriaentjie Ariens.
    Jacob Abrahamse en Heiltje (Maritje) Ariens is op 13.9.1654 in Hillegersberg getroud. Jacob is op 23.10.1672 vanuit die Sandstraat op die hoek van die Hallevemaanstraat begrawe en laat sy eggenote na, genoem Maritje Aberehamts, volgens die patroniem van haar man, met 7 kinders, waarvan die laaste na die dood van die vader gebore is. Op 31.9.1681 word die moeder ook begrawe. Sy is opgeneem in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis wat op daardie stadium in die "Goedse Wagenstraat" in Rotterdam geleë was. Dit was ongeveer 200 meter van die Schieldanse Dyk . In 1687 het die Here Sewentien, 'n komitee van sewentien direkteure wat deur die groot Nederlandse stede aangestel is om die Nederlandse Oos-Indiese Kompanjie te bestuur, besluit om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur. Hierdie meisies sou as vrouens aan die vryburgers gegee word.
    Ariaentjie vertrek 20.3.1688 vanuit Goere saam met nog 7 weesmeisies uit Holland met die seilskip "Berg China" na die Kaap die Goeie Hoop en arriveer 4.8.1688. Sy trou in dieselfde jaar op 29.10.1688 met Gerrit van Deventer.

    van Deventer.ged:Adriana Jacobs (Jacob se dogter), kom as weesmeisie met die naam Arijantgen Jacobs, van den Berg (Geertruidenberg), die Rotterdamse Weeshuis, van Rotterdam in die Kaap aan. Na die dood van haar moeder in 1681 toe sy 8 jaar oud was, word sy in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in die Goudse Wagenstraat in Rotterdam opgeneem. In 1687 besluit die Here Sewentien om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur as vrouens vir die vryburgers. Saam met sewe ander weesmeisies vertrek sy op 20 Maart 1688 vanuit Goere in Holland met die skip "Berg China" en arriveer volgens die dagregister van die Kaap, op 4 Augustus 1688 in die Kaap. Op 11 Augustus 1688 word hulle toegelaat om aan land te gaan en volgens mededeling word hulle op 12 Augustus 1688 buite en binne die kasteel gehuisves. Sy staan ook bekend as Adriaantje (Adrijaentje) wat waarskynlik haar noemnaam was. Sy trou onder die naam van Aryaentgen Adriaansse van Rotterdam. By die doop van haar oudste dogter Jacomijntje noem sy haarself as Ariantje Jacobsz. Na die dood van Gerrit Jansz, haar man, noem sy haarself Ariaantje Jacobsz van Rotterdam. Van haar voorsate is min bekend aangesien 'n bom tydens die oorlog in 1940 die argief van die weeshuis in Rotterdam waar sy gebly het, verwoes het.Daar word beweer dat Willemyntje Ariens de Wit, ook 'n weesmeisie van Rotterdam, die jonger suster van Adriana se moeder, Heijltje Arijens is. Willemyntje is met Detlef Biebow, 'n geneesheer uit Duitsland, op 24 Desember 1688 in Kaapstad getroud. Dit is Detlef en Willemyntje se seun Hendrik, wat gedoop is te Stellenbosch op 28 Mei 1690, wat eerste uitgeroep het "ik ben een afrikaner" en die woord Afrikaner gevestig het. Daar word verder vermoed dat dit Hendrik was wat op die skip Zuytdorp, wat die Kaap op 22 April 1712 velaat het, was. Hierdie skip was op pad na Java, die oostelike hoofkwartier van die HOIK. In 'n geweldige storm loop hierdie skip 500km noord van Perth in Australië op die rotse. Van die sowat 50 oorlewende mense het met die plaaslike stamme getrou en hulle lewe voortgesit in die baie afgesonderde en barra omgewing. In latere jare is die genetiese siekte porfirie (Porphyria Variegata) by die Aborigines gevind. Hierdie porfirie is dieselfde as wat hier in Suid-Afrika vermoedelik deur Adriana Jacobs, die stammoeder, die land ingebring is.
    From: Johan C Erasmus <2000@yebo.co.za> To: Subject: Re: [GenForum] Weesmeisies Date: 07 December 2000 12:03

    Piet
    Baie dankie vir jou moeite! Ek kon nie dink dat niemand al voorheen oor die ander weesmeisies bekommerdwas nie!
    Dit beklemtoon maar net weer die waarde van Familia met al sy waardevolle skat van navorsing wat reeds gedoen is.
    Ek wonder of al die lede daarvan bewus is dat - danksy Danie Viljoen - al die Familia's op 4 CDs beskikbaar is by GGSANoord-Transvaal-tak?

    Groete

    Johan Erasmus



    Aan al die lyslede,
    Na aanleiding van Piet se informasie, wil ek graag net die volgende vra? Ek het in my info dat Adriaantjie Jacobs (vader Jacob /Abrahamse/(Abrahamzoon) ) en Willemientje de Wit (vader onbekend) dieselfde moeder gehad het, nl Heiltje of Marijtje /Ariens/.Kan iemand dit dalk bevestig? Dan het ek ook dat Catharina van der Zee x 15 Augustus 1685 Coenrad Visser en xx 8 Mei 1689 Johannes Visser. ~16 Junie 1667 . Ook hier wil ek weet of iemand dit kan bevestig.

    Dankie

    Johan N



    Dr Heese meld in Familia 76/3 dat tien weesmeisies na die Kaap gestuur is. Hy het die trouboek van die Kaapse gemeente geraadpleeg en vind die volgende:
    1.. Willemijntjie Ariens de Wit trou met Detlev Biebouw. Hulle dogter Maria was die stammoeder van die familie De Vos.
    2.. Adriaantjie Jacobs trou met Gerrit van Deventer3.. Catharina van der Zee trou met Jan Visser en is stammoeder van hierdie vertakking van die Vissers.4.. Anna Eltrop van Kleef trou met Andries Beets, geen nageslag.5.. Engelte Cornelissen trou met Bart Koopman, hulle het kinders, maar die nageslag word nie voortgeplant nie.6.. Adriaante Janse trou met Albert Holder, het slegs twee dogters. > > Van die ander 4 meisies kon geen trouregistrasies opgespoor wordnie: > 1.. Adriana van Zon > 2.. Petronella van Capella > 3.. Judith van der Bout > 4.. Judith Verbeek. > Piet du Toit



    > Johan >



    From: Louw van Deventer
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] van Deventer/Conradie
    Date: 01 April 2001 10:14


    Colleen

    Hier volg die res.
    a1 Gerrit Jansz van Deventer (sv Jan Pieters & Maria Hoogeboom) - kinders(8) - * Nederland ong 1653 + Zoutendal,Stellenbosch 19-04-1728.Land op 10April 1684 aan die Kaap en doen diens as soldaat in die kasteel xStellenbosch 29-10-1688 Adriana Jacobs = 25-05-1673 Rotterdam,Nederland +
    Kaap > 1728.Sy was
    n weesmeisie en arriveer op 04-08-1688 met die skip
    "Berg China".


    Groete

    Louw.

    Volgens Pama I was sy 'n weesmeisie uit Rotterdam.
    Alt Name: Ariaentje (VAN DEN BERG)

    Arrived at the Cape on board the Berg China

    Orphan from Rotterdam; baptised as daugther of Jacob Abrahamse and Heyltje Ariens

    Haar vader was Jacob die seun van Abraham (Jacob Abrahamse) en haar ma was Heiltjie (ook Maritje genoem) die dogter van Arie van die Schiedamse Dyk, Rotterdam. Die moeder is dus Heiltjie Ariens. So staan Ariaentjie tot die dood van haar vader bekend as Ariaentjie Jacobs, en daarna met die matroniem benaming Adriaentjie Ariens.

    Jacob Abrahamse en Heiltje (Maritje) Ariens is op 13.9.1654 in Hillegersberg getroud. Jacob is op 23.10.1672 vanuit die Sandstraat op die hoek van die Hallevemaanstraat begrawe en laat sy eggenote na, genoem Maritje Aberehamts, volgens die patroniem van haar man, met 7 kinders, waarvan die laaste na die dood van die vader gebore is. Op 31.9.1681 word die moeder ook begrawe. Sy is opgeneem in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis wat op daardie stadium in die "Goedse Wagenstraat" in Rotterdam geleë was. Dit was ongeveer 200 meter van die Schieldanse Dyk . In 1687 het die Here Sewentien, 'n komitee van sewentien direkteure wat deur die groot Nederlandse stede aangestel is om die Nederlandse Oos-Indiese Kompanjie te bestuur, besluit om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur. Hierdie meisies sou as vrouens aan die vryburgers gegee word.

    Ariaentjie vertrek 20.3.1688 vanuit Goere saam met nog 7 weesmeisies uit Holland met die seilskip "Berg China" na die Kaap die Goeie Hoop en arriveer 4.8.1688. Sy trou in dieselfde jaar op 29.10.1688 met Gerrit van Deventer.

    van Deventer.ged:
    Adriana Jacobs (Jacob se dogter), kom as weesmeisie met die naam Arijantgen Jacobs, van den Berg (Geertruidenberg), die Rotterdamse Weeshuis, van Rotterdam in die Kaap aan. Na die dood van haar moeder in 1681 toe sy 8 jaar oud was, word sy in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in die Goudse Wagenstraat in Rotterdam opgeneem. In 1687 besluit die Here Sewentien om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur as vrouens vir die vryburgers. Saam met sewe ander weesmeisies vertrek sy op 20 Maart 1688 vanuit Goere in Holland met die skip "Berg China" en arriveer volgens die dagregister van die Kaap, op 4 Augustus 1688 in die Kaap. Op 11 Augustus 1688 word hulle toegelaat om aan land te gaan en volgens mededeling word hulle op 12 Augustus 1688 buite en binne die kasteel gehuisves. Sy staan ook bekend as Adriaantje (Adrijaentje) wat waarskynlik haar noemnaam was. Sy trou onder die naam van Aryaentgen Adriaansse van Rotterdam. By die doop van haar oudste dogter Jacomijntje noem sy haarself as Ariantje Jacobsz. Na die dood van Gerrit Jansz, haar man, noem sy haarself Ariaantje Jacobsz van Rotterdam. Van haar voorsate is min bekend aangesien 'n bom tydens die oorlog in 1940 die argief van die weeshuis in Rotterdam waar sy gebly het, verwoes het.
    Daar word beweer dat Willemyntje Ariens de Wit, ook 'n weesmeisie van Rotterdam, die jonger suster van Adriana se moeder, Heijltje Arijens is. Willemyntje is met Detlef Biebow, 'n geneesheer uit Duitsland, op 24 Desember 1688 in Kaapstad getroud. Dit is Detlef en Willemyntje se seun Hendrik, wat gedoop is te Stellenbosch op 28 Mei 1690, wat eerste uitgeroep het "ik ben een afrikaner" en die woord Afrikaner gevestig het. Daar word verder vermoed dat dit Hendrik was wat op die skip Zuytdorp, wat die Kaap op 22 April 1712 velaat het, was. Hierdie skip was op pad na Java, die oostelike hoofkwartier van die HOIK. In 'n geweldige storm loop hierdie skip 500km noord van Perth in Australië op die rotse. Van die sowat 50 oorlewende mense het met die plaaslike stamme getrou en hulle lewe voortgesit in die baie afgesonderde en barra omgewing. In latere jare is die genetiese siekte porfirie (Porphyria Variegata) by die Aborigines gevind. Hierdie porfirie is dieselfde as wat hier in Suid-Afrika vermoedelik deur Adriana Jacobs, die stammoeder, die land ingebring is.

    From: Johan C Erasmus <2000@yebo.co.za> To: Subject: Re: [GenForum] Weesmeisies Date: 07 December 2000 12:03

    Piet
    Baie dankie vir jou moeite! Ek kon nie dink dat niemand al voorheen oor die ander weesmeisies bekommerd was nie!
    Dit beklemtoon maar net weer die waarde van Familia met al sy waardevolle skat van navorsing wat reeds gedoen is.
    Ek wonder of al die lede daarvan bewus is dat - danksy Danie Viljoen - al die Familia's op 4 CDs beskikbaar is by GGSANoord-Transvaal-tak?

    Groete

    Johan Erasmus

    Aan al die lyslede,

    Na aanleiding van Piet se informasie, wil ek graag net die volgende vra? Ek het in my info dat Adriaantjie Jacobs (vader Jacob /Abrahamse/(Abrahamzoon) ) en Willemientje de Wit (vader onbekend) dieselfde moeder gehad het, nl Heiltje of Marijtje /Ariens/.Kan iemand dit dalk bevestig? Dan het ek ook dat Catharina van der Zee x 15 Augustus 1685 Coenrad Visser en xx 8 Mei 1689 Johannes Visser. ~16 Junie 1667 . Ook hier wil ek weet of iemand dit kan bevestig.

    Dankie

    Johan N


    Dr Heese meld in Familia 76/3 dat tien weesmeisies na die Kaap gestuur is. Hy het die trouboek van die Kaapse gemeente geraadpleeg en vind die volgende:

    1.. Willemijntjie Ariens de Wit trou met Detlev Biebouw. Hulle dogter Maria was die stammoeder van die familie De Vos.
    2.. Adriaantjie Jacobs trou met Gerrit van Deventer
    3.. Catharina van der Zee trou met Jan Visser en is stammoeder van hierdie vertakking van die Vissers.
    4.. Anna Eltrop van Kleef trou met Andries Beets, geen nageslag.
    5.. Engelte Cornelissen trou met Bart Koopman, hulle het kinders, maar die nageslag word nie voortgeplant nie.
    6.. Adriaante Janse trou met Albert Holder, het slegs twee dogters.
    Van die ander 4 meisies kon geen trouregistrasies opgespoor wordnie:
    1.. Adriana van Zon
    2.. Petronella van Capella
    3.. Judith van der Bout
    4.. Judith Verbeek.

    Piet du Toit

    Johan

    From: Louw van Deventer
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] van Deventer/Conradie
    Date: 01 April 2001 10:14

    Colleen

    Hier volg die res.
    a1 Gerrit Jansz van Deventer (sv Jan Pieters & Maria Hoogeboom) - kinders (8) - * Nederland ong 1653 + outendal,Stellenbosch 19-04-1728.Land op 10April 1684 aan die Kaap en doen diens as soldaat in die kasteel x Stellenbosch 29-10-1688 Adriana Jacobs = 25-05-1673 Rotterdam,Nederland + Kaap > 1728.Sy was n weesmeisie en arriveer op 04-08-1688 met die skip "Berg China".

    Groete

    Louw.

    Volgens Pama I was sy 'n weesmeisie uit Rotterdam.
    Alt Name: Ariaentje (VAN DEN BERG)

    Christened:
    Alt Christening: 16 May 1673 Rotterdam

    Notes:

    Married:
    Van Deventer.ged gives Stellenbosch, Cape.

    Children:
    1. Jan Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b1 was born in 1689 in Veldcamp, Netherlands; was christened on 21 Aug 1689 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Jacomijntje VAN DEVENTER, b2 was born in 1691; was christened on 9 Mar 1692 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died about 1737 in Cape, South Africa.
    3. 7. Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3 was christened on 27 Jun 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    4. Johanna Margaretha Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b4 was born about 1702 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 24 Jul 1701; died after 1757 in Cape, South Africa.
    5. Jacob Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b5 was born in Jul 1705 in Graaff-Reinet, Cape, South Africa; was christened in Jul 1705; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Geesje Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b6 was born in 1707 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 18 Aug 1707 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in 1730 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl).
    7. Hendrik Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b7 was christened on 1 Jan 1710; and died.
    8. Gerrit Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b8 was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 14 May 1713 in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; died in 1757 in Cape, South Africa.


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