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Johanna Dorothea -COET(S Z)ER, b1c2

Johanna Dorothea -COET(S Z)ER, b1c2

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Johanna Dorothea -COET(S Z)ER, b1c2 was christened on 19 Nov 1747 (daughter of Johannes Jacobus -COET(S Z)ER, a1b1 and Johanna NEL, a1b10c4); died in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl).

    Notes:

    Christened:
    Alternative date: 9.11.1747

    Johanna married Jan Harmse LABUSCHAGNE, b2c4 on 23 Mar 1766 in Paarl, Cape, South Africa. Jan (son of Jan LABUSCHAGNE, b2 and Gesina STEENKAMP, b6) was born about 1740 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 21 Aug 1740 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jan Harmse LABUSCHAGNE b2c4 Date: 23 May 1766 Location: Paarl, Cape, South Africa


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Johannes Jacobus -COET(S Z)ER, a1b1 was born in 1716; was christened on 24 May 1716 (son of Jacob KUTZER, progenitor and Cornelia HELM, a4b2); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Burger Drakenstein

    Johannes married Johanna NEL, a1b10c4 on 27 Nov 1746 in Cape, South Africa. Johanna (daughter of Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 and Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3) was born in 1730; was christened on 24 Dec 1730; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Johanna NEL, a1b10c4 was born in 1730; was christened on 24 Dec 1730 (daughter of Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 and Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    2 SOUR S10 3 PAGE p. 628
    She was his 2nd wife

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Johanna NEL, a1b10c4 Date: 26 Nov 1746

    Children:
    1. 1. Johanna Dorothea -COET(S Z)ER, b1c2 was christened on 19 Nov 1747; died in in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl).
    2. Cornelia -COET(S Z)ER, b1c3 was christened on 26 Jan 1749; died in in South Africa.
    3. Jacob -COET(S Z)ER, b1c4 was christened on 2 Apr 1752; died in in South Africa.
    4. Pieter Willem -COET(S Z)ER, b1c5 was christened on 12 Aug 1753; died in in South Africa.
    5. Johannes Jacobus -COET(S Z)ER, b1c6 was christened on 25 Sep 1754; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Aletta -COET(S Z)ER, b1c7 was christened on 18 Apr 1756; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    7. Willem Johan -COET(S Z)ER, b1c8 was born about 1758 in Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Dorothea Regina -COET(S Z)ER, b1c9 was christened on 11 Feb 1759; died in in South Africa.
    9. Wenzel Christoffel -COET(S Z)ER, b1c10 was born on 13 Sep 1760; was christened on 28 Apr 1761; died on 11 Dec 1842 in Cape, South Africa.
    10. Adriana Jacomina -COET(S Z)ER, b1c11 was christened on 25 Dec 1762; died in in South Africa.
    11. Philippus Jeremias -COET(S Z)ER, b1c12 was born on 2 Dec 1764 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 16 Dec 1764; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    12. Jacobus Johannes -COET(S Z)ER, b1c13 was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 16 Feb 1766; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    13. Susanna Elisabeth -COET(S Z)ER, b1c14 was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 18 Sep 1770; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    14. Gerrit -COET(S Z)ER, a1b1c15 was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 17 May 1772; died in in Cape, South Africa.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Jacob KUTZER, progenitor was born between 1680 and 1690 in Setry, Vienna, Austria (son of Wenzeslaus KUTZER and Pn NN); died before 18 Sep 1742 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Alternative location: Rijnstadt, Germany

    Arrived 1709 as soldier per "Noordhoek" from Wielingen. In 1713 he was a farmer's assistant and became burger in 1714

    Van Sentry by Weenen, aankoms 1709 as soldaat per "Noordhoek" van Wielengen, boerkneg 1713, burger 1714.

    Source: Die Afrikaner-Familienaamboek.
    Jacob Coetzer, wat ook sy naam as Kutzer geteken het, is afkomstig van Setry, naby Weenen.

    Hy vas die seun van Wenzelaus Kutzer. Hy het in die jaar 1709 as soldaat in diens van die H.O.I.K. in Tafelbaai voet aan wal gesit, en was vir die eerste paar jaar as boerkneg werksaam.

    In 1714 het hy egter burgerskap verkry, en op 15 September 1717 is hy in die eg verbind met Cornelia Helms, die wedewee van Ary Van wyk.

    Sy tweede huwelik met Susanna Snyman het in 1722 plaasgevind. Van sy tien kinders, is drie waarskynlik ongertroud oorlede:

    1) Maria Magdalena (1724)

    2) Phillipus Jacobus (1730)

    3) Jacobus Johannes (1734)

    Die ander kinders was:

    4) Johannes Jacobus (1716) burger te Drakenstein en getroud 15.2.1739 met Maria Botha; hertroud 27.11.1746 met Johanna Nel; 15 kinders.

    5) Dorothea (1717), getroud met J. Van Deventer.

    6) Susanna Margaretha (1723), getroud 19.4.1744 met J.A. Kuil, van Lubeck.

    7) Maria Elisabeth (1727), getroud 8.8.1754 met S. van Echten.

    8) Wensel Christoffel (1728), getroud 13.2.1752 met Elisabeth Du Toit; 8 kinders.

    9) Jeremias (1732), getroud 17.4.1763 met Susanna Du Toit; hertroud 12.4.1772 met Elonora Loret; 6 kinders.
    10) Johanna Jacoba (1740), getroud met F.W. Alleman; hertroud met D.C. Haan, van Vryburg.

    Van Sentry by Weenen, aankoms 1709 as soldaat per "Noordhoek" van Wielengen, boerkneg 1713, burger 1714.

    Jacob COETZER (KUTZER). Hy kom as soldaat op 7 Junie 1709 op die skip Noordbeek by die Kaap aan. Hy werk eers as boerskneg en kry in 1714 burgerskap. Hy trou op 15 September 1717 met Cornelia HELMS, die weduwee van Ary van Wyk. Uit hierdie huwelik is twee kinders gebore. Hy trou toe weer met Susanna SNYMAN in 1722.

    KINDERS:
    Johannes Jacobus 1716, X 15 Februarie 1739 Maria Botha, XX 27 November 1746 Johanna Nel
    Dorothea 1717, X J van Deventer
    Susanna Margaretha 1723, X 19 April 1744 JA Kuil
    Maria Magdalena 1724, ongetroud oorlede
    Maria ELizabeth 1727, X 8 Augustus 1754 S van Echten
    Wensel Christoffel 1728, X 13 Februarie 1752 Elizabeth du Toit
    Philippus Jacobus 1730, ongetroud oorlede
    Jeremias 1732, X 17 April 1763 Susanna du Toit, XX Eleonora Loret
    Jacobus Johannes 1734, ongetroud oorlede
    Johanna Jacoba 1740, X FW Alleman, XX DC Haan van Vryburg


    Hy was 'n lid van die Burgerraad in Stellenbosch en Drakenstein. Van 5 Mei 1733 was hy kaptein van die Burgerdragonders by Stellenbosch en Drakenstein

    Bronne:
    NA Coetzee "Jacob Kutzer" Familia XIII, 1976 no 1
    Alt Birth: Abt 1695 Rijnstadt, Germany

    Jacob COETZER (KUTZER). Hy kom as soldaat op 7 Junie 1709 op die skip Noordbeek by die Kaap aan. Hy werk eers as boerskneg en kry in 1714 burgerskap. Hy trou op 15 September 1717 met Cornelia HELMS, die weduwee van Ary van Wyk. Uit hierdie huwelik is twee kinders gebore. Hy trou toe weer met Susanna SNYMAN in 1722.
    KINDERS:
    Johannes Jacobus 1716, X 15 Februarie 1739 Maria Botha, XX 27 November 1746 Johanna Nel
    Dorothea 1717, X J van Deventer
    Susanna Margaretha 1723, X 19 April 1744 JA Kuil
    Maria Magdalena 1724, ongetroud oorlede
    Maria ELizabeth 1727, X 8 Augustus 1754 S van Echten
    Wensel Christoffel 1728, X 13 Februarie 1752 Elizabeth du Toit
    Philippus Jacobus 1730, ongetroud oorlede
    Jeremias 1732, X 17 April 1763 Susanna du Toit, XX Eleonora Loret
    Jacobus Johannes 1734, ongetroud oorlede
    Johanna Jacoba 1740, X FW Alleman, XX DC Haan van Vryburg
    Hy was 'n lid van die Burgerraad in Stellenbosch en Drakenstein. Van 5 Mei 1733 was hy kaptein van die Burgerdragonders by Stellenbosch en Drakenstein
    Bronne:
    NA Coetzee "Jacob Kutzer" Familia XIII, 1976 no 1
    Thanks to research by:
    Thanks to submission by:
    AM van Rensburg

    Arriveer in 1709 as soldaat vanaf Oostenryk aan boord Noordhoek van Wielingen. In 1713 is hy boerkneg en word burger in 1714.

    Birth:
    Alternative location: Rijnstadt, Germany

    Jacob married Cornelia HELM, a4b2 on 15 Sep 1717 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Cornelia (daughter of Hans HELM, a4 and Geertruy WILLEMSE) was born before 17 Sep 1673 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 17 Sep 1673 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in May-Jun 1720 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Cornelia HELM, a4b2 was born before 17 Sep 1673 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 17 Sep 1673 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Hans HELM, a4 and Geertruy WILLEMSE); died in May-Jun 1720 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Alternative date: After 1692

    1. Pama had Helm under van Wyk and only had Arie van Wyk and Johannes van den Bosch as her husbands.

    2. Heese has her as Helms and Arie van Wyk and Jacob Kutzer as her husbands.

    3. Heese has the marriage as in 1717 whereas the first childis born in 1716. She was his first wife, while she had one to two husbands before Kutzer. 2 SOUR S14 3 PAGE p. 286



    Vanuit De Villiers en Pama Vol II (van Wyk)

    Arie van Wyk, Y. Amsterdam, waarsk. 'n broer van Willem, bogenoemd, Aank. omstr. 1676/78. Burger Stellenbosch. x Cornelia Helm, wed.v. Johannes van den Bosch.
    bl Roelof, = 5.9.lG3-1. burger Drakenstein, x 28.9.1727 Aletta Bezuldenhout


    Cornelia Helmes
    born circa 1676, at the Cape
    died between May and June 1720
    will dated 23 May 1720
    and filed 21 June 1720

    Notes:
    In 1692 she and Jan van den Bos are listed in the muster rolls with three children. All her children are given as listed in her two wills, one made with Arij van Wijk in 1713, the other with Jacob Coetser in 1720. Both wills states that she had eight Van Wijck children and give their names - the earlier will gives their ages as well. The details of her children's spouses and their children come from the Deceased Estate Accounts of her son Willem van Wijk d'oude, accounts dated 1771-72.

    married (1) 28 March 1688 at Cape Town

    Johannes van den Bosch
    died circa 1692



    Catharina issue Johanna <../bosmandevriesbuys/I139.html> issue Johannes d.1713



    married (2) circa October 1693

    ( On the 22nd October 1693 the Weeskamer noted that
    she was proposing to marry again: ' de nagelaatene
    wed' van Jan Van den bosch salg. Staat om in den
    Egten staat te treeden' )

    Arie van Wijk
    circa 1668-circa 1713
    farmer (1713)
    of Stellenbosch



    Roelof 1694 - c1746 issue Aletta 1696 - bef.1771 issue Willem 1698 - 1771 Sara b.1699Adrianus b.1701 Maria c1704 - c1744 issue Adriaan 1705 - bef.1771 issue Gerrit 1707 - c1708

    Catarina b.1710 Hester b. c1712



    married (3) 15 September 1714 at Stellenbosch

    Jacob Coetser



    Johannes Jacobus b.1716 Dorothea b.1717

    Died:
    Alternative date: After 1692

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jacob KUTZER, progenitor Date: 15 Sep 1714 Location: Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa

    Children:
    1. 2. Johannes Jacobus -COET(S Z)ER, a1b1 was born in 1716; was christened on 24 May 1716; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Dorothea -COET(S Z)ER, b2 was christened on 19 Sep 1717; died before 1746 in Cape, South Africa.
    3. Wensel Christoffel -COET(S Z)ER, b6 was christened on 11 Jul 1728; died in in Cape, South Africa.

  3. 6.  Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 was born in 1704-1705 in Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1704 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (son of Guillaume NEL, a1 and Jeanne DE LA BATTE); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    a1b10 Negende kind en seun van die Hugenoot Guillaume Niel (Nel) en Jeanne de la Batte (Bat). Uit Pieter Willem se huwelik is 10 kinders gebore.

    Pama II lys 'n "?" agter sy voorname op p628.
    !SAG vol 6 page 134 b10

    Pieter married Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3 on 8 Apr 1725 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa. Altijn (daughter of Gerrit Janse (Jansz) VAN DEVENTER, progenitor and Adriana JACOBS) was christened on 27 Jun 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3 was christened on 27 Jun 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa (daughter of Gerrit Janse (Jansz) VAN DEVENTER, progenitor and Adriana JACOBS); died in in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    In die Stellenbosche Doopregister word die volgende aangegee;
    as vader: gerreijt ijansen van dieuenter, moeder: aerijaentijen ijacops
    en as getuies: ijan botma en marija helms
    Haar naam word ook aangegee as Aletta.
    KAB-MOOC-7/1/13-8-1760. KAB-MOOC-7/1/31-39-1774.

    !SAG vol 6 page 134 wife of b10 and vol 2 page 67 b3

    Children:
    1. Adriana NEL, b9c1 was christened on 31 Mar 1726; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Willem NEL, a1b10c2 was born before 10 Aug 1727; was christened on 10 Aug 1727; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    3. Gerrit NEL, b9c3 was christened on 12 Dec 1728; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    4. 3. Johanna NEL, a1b10c4 was born in 1730; was christened on 24 Dec 1730; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    5. Pieter NEL, b10c5 was born in 1732; was christened on 31 Aug 1732 in Swellendam, Cape, South Africa; died in 1779 in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Jacomina NEL, b10c6 was christened on 24 Apr 1734; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    7. Jan NEL was born on 26 Feb 1736; was christened on 26 Feb 1736; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Gesina NEL was christened on 6 Apr 1738; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    9. Cornelia NEL was born on 27 Nov 1740 in Tulbagh, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 Nov 1740; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    10. Johannes NEL was born before 13 Jan 1743; was christened on 13 Jan 1743; died in in Cape, South Africa.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Wenzeslaus KUTZER was born between 1650 and 1660 in Austria; and died.

    Wenzeslaus married Pn NN. Pn and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Pn NN and died.
    Children:
    1. 4. Jacob KUTZER, progenitor was born between 1680 and 1690 in Setry, Vienna, Austria; died before 18 Sep 1742 in Cape, South Africa.

  3. 10.  Hans HELM, a4 was born in 1645 in Netherlands; was christened in in Hans and Geertruy arrived in 1671 with; died in in Cape, South Africa; was buried in his wife..

    Notes:

    Arrived from the Netherlands 1671
    Ek weet glad nie hoekom hulle hierde familie altyd HELM noem nie - hulle word altyd HELMES of HELMERS in die registers, monsterollen, ens. genoem.

    Afkomstig van Nederland. Arriveer in 1671 met sy vrou.

    Hans married Geertruy WILLEMSE about 1670 in Holland, Netherlands. Geertruy was born between 1640 and 1650 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened in in Geertruy and Hans arrived in 1671.; died in in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Geertruy WILLEMSE was born between 1640 and 1650 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened in in Geertruy and Hans arrived in 1671.; died in in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    1. Records in possession of J.P.Hansie Brummer
    2. Name also known as Geertje

    Arriveer vanaf Nederland as vrou van Hans Helm in 1671

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Hans HELM a4 Date: Abt 1670 Location: Cape Town, Cape, South Africa

    Children:
    1. Margaretha HELM, a4b1 was born in in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 21 Jun 1671 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. 5. Cornelia HELM, a4b2 was born before 17 Sep 1673 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 17 Sep 1673 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in May-Jun 1720 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.
    3. Cornelise HELM was born on 17 Sep 1673 in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 17 Sep 1673 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    4. Maria HELMS, a4b3 was born in in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 24 Nov 1675 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    5. Geertruy HELMS, a4b4 was born in in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 29 Oct 1678 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Geertruyd HELMS was born on 29 Oct 1678 in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    7. Dirkje HELM(ES), a4b5 was born in 1682; was christened on 18 Jan 1682; died in 1767 in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Willem HELM was christened on 28 Jul 1786; died in in Cape, South Africa.

  5. 12.  Guillaume NEL, a1 was born about 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France (son of Guillaume NEL (NIEL) and Pn NEL, son of Guillaume NEL (NIEL)); died on 17 Jun 1738 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Fled from France from Rouen,Normandy before 1690 aboard the barque Borssenburg. Wife is Jeanne de la Batte. They have two daughters at that stage Jean and Jeanne. Tailor and farmer. Settled at Blouklip near Stellenbosch. He started signing his name as Willem Nel by 1703. By 1708 they have 12 children

    Hy en sy vrou het beide reeds voor die herroeping van die Edik van Nantes Frankryk verlaat. Hy was 'n kleremaker van Rouaan in Normandië en sy was van Saumur langs die Loire-rivier in Anjou afkomstig. Drie kinders, van wie die oudste klein oorlede is, is in Nederland gebore voor die gesin, wwarskynlik aan boord van die Borssenburg, na die Kaap vertrek het. Die gesin Neel het hul nie soos die meeste ander vlugtelinge in die Drakenstein gevestig nie, maar wel op die plaas Blouklip naby Stellenbosch. Hulle het ook gouer as die ander vlugtelinge vernederlands.

    French fugitive arrived at the Cape before 1690 with his wife Jeanne de la Batte from Saumur and their two children Jean and Jeanne. They later lived in "onder Stellenbosch" [lower Stellenbosch]



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    Hallo Fanie Blignaut...

    Luidens SAG (en Pama) is daar twee NEL stamvaders:

    1 Guillaume (Franse naam vir Willem) NEEL of NEL * ca 1663, Franse
    vlugteling van Rouaan, Normandïe, arriveer voor 1690 waarskynlik aan boord van die 'Borssenburg' met sy vrou en hul twee kinders, Jean en Jeanne, kleremaker en boer, vestig te Blouklip naby Stellenbosch, teen 1734 woon hy en sy vrou in die Kaapse distrik. Reeds in 1705 is hy as Willem NEL bekend en het hy sy naam so geteken + ca 1734 x Amsterdam, Nederland 3 Mei 1685 Jeanne (DE) LA BATTE * Samour langs die Loire-rivier ca 1663.

    2 Etienne NEL van Dauphiné * ca 1668, in 1693 soldaat in diens van VOC + ca 1738, woon op La Dauphiné, Franschhoek x Marie-Madeleine MARAIS * Hurepoix, suid van Parys ca 1682 + 7 Jul 1716.

    Groetnis...

    !Emmerentia van Rensburg Registers
    De Villiers/Pama p 623.Guillaume Niel of Nel, van Rouaan, gebore 1663; Franse vlugteling; aankoms voor 1690 met sy vrou Jeanne de la Batte, van Saumur en hul twee kinders, Jean en Jeanne. Hulle woon later onder Stellenbosch.
    Pama C., Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek, p. 233. Betekenis: Sons afgelei van Tonnel, 'n vorm van tonneau, d.i. ton. Niel word ook afgelei van Cornelius.
    Families 3 no 173 - stamboom opgestel deur Maria Eirene Oosthuizen, na die stamboom in 'n familiebybel van Louis Jacobus Nel, gedoop 15 Februarie 1778.
    Guillaume was 'n Franse vlugteling en kom op 12 Mei 1688 aan boord van die Borssenburg' aan die Kaap aan. Sy plaas, Blauwklip Stellenbosch (1690-1734) was gelee waar die spoorwegstasie van Wellington tans is. Hy was 'n kleremaker en die gesin was van die eerste Franse gesinne om te vernederlands.
    Le Roux/Lombard
    Hugenotebloed in ons are, p 28. Guillaume Neel en sy vrou Jeanne la Batte het beide reeds voor die herroeping van die Edik van Nantes Frankryk verlaat, want hulle trou op 3 Mei 1685 in Amsterdam, Nederland. Albei is in 1663 gebore.
    Guillaume was 'n kleremaker van Rouaan in Normandie en Jeanne was van Saumur langs die Loire-rivier in Anjou afkomstig. Drie kinders, van wie die oudste klein oorlede is, is in Nederland gebore voor die gesin, waarskynlik aan boord van die Borssenburg, na die Kaap vertrek het.
    Die gesin Neel het hul nie soos die meeste ander vlugtelinge in die Drakenstein gevestig nie, maar wel op die plaas Blouklip naby Stellenbosch.
    Hulle het ook gouer as die ander vlugtelinge vernederlands. Guillaume en sy vrou was die ouers van die volgende kinders:
    1 David (1686) klein dood
    2 Jean (1687) x Suzanne Fourie
    3 Jeanne (1688) x Peter Peil xx Barne Peters
    4 Esaie (1691) x Margaretha Beyers, wed. Oelofse
    5 Cornelia (1694) x Adriaan van Jaarsveld
    6 Willem (1696) x Suzanna Lombard, wed. Durand
    7 Judith (1698) x Wilhelm Odendall
    8 Elias (1701) x Anna Jacoba Coetsee xx Anne Vivier 9 Adriaan (1703) x Catharina Appel
    10 Pieter (1704) x Aletta van Deventer
    11 Hester (1706) x Pieter Venter
    Guillame Neel is in 1734 oorlede. Sy oudste oorlewende seun, Jean (1687-1740)
    trou in 1716 met die sewentienjarige Suzanne Fourie. Hulle boer in die distrik Stellenbosch en word die ouers van sewe kinders. In 1742 trou Suzanne met Christian Ernst Schutte by wie sy nog een seun het. Die nageslag van die seuns Esaie (1691) en Willem (1696) het blykbaar in die manlike lyn uitgesterf, terwyl Elias (1701) die vader word van twee seuns uit sy tweede huwelik in 1733 met Anne Vivier. Adriaan Nel (1703-1769) se huwelik in 1725 met Catharina Appel was met elf kinders geseen, terwyl sy broer Pieter * 1704, ook in 1725 trou met
    Aletta van Deventer en die vader van tien kinders word.
    Families 8 no. 117 - Samesteller Joseph Petrus Jooste geb. 4 Junie 1900 in samewerking met Claudie Jooste.

    Volgens Pama II was sy van ook Niel gespel en was hy van Rouaan (Rouen?) afkomstig. Hy kom as Franse vlugteling voor 1690 met sy vrou en twee kinders Jean en Jeanne in die Kaap aan. Hulle woon later in Stellenbosch.

    A French Huguenot who was a tailor and a farmer arrived in the
    Cape on 5 Jun 1688, on De Schelde that had left Amsterdam on 19
    Feb 1688. In 1690 the farm 'Blaauklip' in Wamakersvallei was
    allotted to him, and in 1711 the farm 'Bootmansdrift' in
    Drakenstein. This farm is the site of the present day Wellington
    railway station.

    According to shipping records De Schelde belonged to the Chamber
    of Zeeland. Left Vlissingen on 19 Feb 1688 and arrived in Table
    Bay on 29 May 1688. 140 feet long. No deaths or sickness on
    board; put into St Jago for repairs 22-30 Jun 1688


    Hugenoot van Rouen, Normandië, Frankryk na SA in 1690 met vrou en 2 kinders Kleremaker en boer

    Willem, 'n kleremaker van beroep, was van Rouaan en het op Blaauklippen geboer wat hy van Gerrit Jansz Visser c1690 gekoop het. Hy was getroud met Jeanne de la Batte van Saumur.

    ---------------------------
    Maurice Boucher, French Speakers at the Cape, Univ of SA, 1981, p.125

    wat gewoonlik baie vertroubaar is:


    The Cape refugee Guillaume Néel, farmer and tailor, born about the year 1663, is known to have come from Rouen, although his name has not bee found among the Néels who worshipped at Grand-Queville. He took refuge in Amsterdam before the revocation of the edict of Nantes and married Jeanne la Batte in that city on May 3, 1685. In addition to their children Jean and Jeanne born Amsterdam, they had a son David, baptised there on March 7, 1686, who must have died in infancey.
    Jeanne la Batte was born in 1663 at Saumur in Anjou.

    Sy bronne vir wat hierbo staan gee hy as:

    P.Kolbe, Naaukeurige en uitvorige beschrying van de Kaap de Goede
    Hoop, 1, p.104.

    J.L.M. Franken, Briefies en handtekenings van die Kaapse Hugenote,
    Tydskrif vir wetenskap en Kuns, VII, 1938-39, p.103

    MOOC 7/1/4, Testamenten 1726-1735: 141

    Botha, French Refugees, page 79

    Néels are frequent in the records of Dieppe and Luneray, which lay in
    the Rouen gereality in the Arques election (TT 264, XI, Rouen: May
    13, 1686, pp. 407-413 (AN)

    LESENS (comp.) Ms. Listes des Protestants : p. 79; Ms 1520, Registre
    de Luneray, I-III

    For Néels at Rouen see J. Bianquis and E.Lesens, La Revocation de
    l'Edit de Nantes a Rouen, p. 66

    Fichier, Waalse Kerken: Néel. For Jean Néel (Nel) see Stellenbosch, 18/5, Testamenten
    1720-1726: 43, Oct 6. 1724.

    See also J.Hoge. Bydraes tot die genealogie van ou Afrikaanse
    families, p. 99.


    Groete,

    Richard
    --
    Richard Ball
    Norfolk, England

    Guillaume married Jeanne DE LA BATTE on 3 May 1685 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. Jeanne (daughter of Jacques LA BAT and Susanna LAURENT) was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France; died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 13.  Jeanne DE LA BATTE was born in 1663 in Samour, Anjou, France; was christened in 1663 in Rouen, Normandy, France (daughter of Jacques LA BAT and Susanna LAURENT); died about 1696 in Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Pama has her from "Saumur" (Vol 2, p. 623)

    !Emmerentia van Rensburg RegistersDe Villiers/Pama p 623. Huwelik met Guillaume Neel (Nel) Hugenotebloed in ons are, p 28, 165, 174 en 181. Huwelik C. Pama: Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek p 233. Huwelik Families 3 no 173 - stamboom opgestel deur Maria Eirene Oosthuizen, na die stamboom in 'n familiebybel van Louis Jacobus Nel, gedoop 15 Februarie 1778.Jeanne en haar man en twee kinders vlug via Amsterdam na die Kaap.Families 8 no. 117 - Samesteller Joseph Petrus Jooste geb. 4 Junie 1900 in
    samewerking met Claudie Jooste.Jeanne en Guillaume was die stamouers van die Nel/Nell geslagte.
    Volgens Pama II was sy afkomstig van Saumur. Hulle kinders Jean en Jeanne het hulle vergesel na die Kaap. Hulle woon later in Stellenbosch.

    Birth:
    Erasmus Register gives Saumeer, France

    Notes:

    Married:
    Alt Marriage: Jeanne de la BATTE Location: France

    Children:
    1. Jeanne (Johanna) NEL and died.
    2. Johanna (Jeanne) NEL, a1b3 was born in in Europe; and died.
    3. Johanna (Jeanne) NEL was born in in Europe; and died.
    4. David NEL was born in 1686; died in Child.
    5. Dawid NEL, a1b1 was born on 7 Mar 1686 in Netherlands; died in Young in Netherlands.
    6. Jean (Jan) NEL, a1b2 was born about 1687 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands; was christened in 1687; died in 1740 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    7. Johanna NEL, a1b3 was born in 1688 in Rouen, Normandy, France; was christened in 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    8. Jeanne NEL was born in 1689 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    9. Esaias (Izak) NEL, a1b4 was born on 3 Aug 1690 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 27 May 1691 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 3 Mar 1745 in Cape, South Africa.
    10. Esias NEL, b3 was born on 27 May 1691 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.
    11. Cornelia NEL, a1b5 was born in 1694 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened in 1694 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in 1755-1756 in Cape, South Africa.
    12. Willem NEL, a1b6 was born in 1696 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened in 1696; died in 1764 in South Africa.
    13. Judith NEL, a1b7 was born on 23 Aug 1697 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 3 Aug 1698 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died on 23 Feb 1748 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    14. Elias NEL, a1b8 was born in 1701 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 28 Jul 1701 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    15. Adriaan NEL, a1b9 was born in 1703 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1703 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in Feb 1769 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.
    16. 6. Pieter Willem NEL, a1b10 was born in 1704-1705 in Cape, South Africa; was christened about 1704 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    17. Hester NEL, a1b11 was born in 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 1 Aug 1706 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in 1785-1786 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa.
    18. Jeanne NEL was born on 1 Jan 1708 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; and died.

  7. 14.  Gerrit Janse (Jansz) VAN DEVENTER, progenitor was born between 1655 and 1665 in Deventer, Overyssel, Netherlands; was christened on 15 Nov 1684 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa (son of Jan Pietersz VAN DEVENTER and Maria HOOGEBOOM, son of Jan Pietersz VAN DEVENTER and Maria HOOGEBOOM); died on 19 Apr 1728 in Zoetendal, Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Burger Stellenbosch

    DuPlooy.paf: Hy was afkomstig van die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Nederland. Vertrek as soldaat 19.12.1683 met die vaartuig 'de Juffrouw Anna" vanuit Texel na die Kaap. Hulle land 10.4.1684 aan die Kaap. Die eerste jare van sy verblyf het hy dan ook binne die kasteel deurgebring. Op 31.5.1686 word hy vryburger aan die Kaap.

    Gerrit Jansz, seun van Jan Pieters (Jan se zoon, vandaar Jansz), verlaat Veldcamp* (vermoedelik 'n soldatekamp), naby die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Holland op 11 Junie 1683 op pad na Amsterdam. Vandaar reis hy na die eiland Texel, hoofkantoor van die Verenigde Oos-Indiese Kompanjie om as soldaat diens te doen. Op 19 Desember 1683 vertrek hy met die skip "De Juffraauw Anna" na die Kaap de Goede Hoop. Jan Molenaer van de Reede, kaptein van die skip, woonagtig op Texel, was op reis na Batavia. Hulle land op 10 April 1684 aan die Kaap, 32 jaar en 4 dae na Jan van Riebeeck (aankoms 6 April 1652 in die Kaap), terwyl Simon van der Stel die goewerneur aan die Kaap was. Die eerste paar jaar doen hy diens as soldaat binne die kasteel en word vryburger op 31 Mei 1686. Daar word vermoed dat hy na hierdie datum die van "Van Deventer" (geografiese van) aangeneem het of toegeken is. Aan die begin van 1688 bevind hy hom nog steeds by die kasteel en besit 50 "schapen". In die huweliksakte verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz, van Veldcamp, vryburger uit Stellenbosch. By die doop van sy oudste dogter Jacomijntje in 1692 verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz van Deventer. Sover bekend het slegs Gerrit Jansz hier in Suid-Afrika die van Van Deventer aangeneem. Gerrit Jansz van Deventer sterf sonder 'n testament en daar word 'n inventaris van sy besittings gemaak. KAB-MOOC-13/1/1-18-(1709-1711).Dr. H.T. Colenbrander gee in sy boek, De Afkomst der Boeren, aan dat Gerrit Jansz van Duitse afkoms was. Veldcamp kon dus, as sy stelling korrek is, in Duitsland gewees het.

    Volgens Pama I was hy van Veldcamp afkomstig. Burger te Stellenbosch.

    Alt Death: 19 Apr 1728 Zoutendal, Stellenbosch
    Gerrit Jansz van DEVENTER het van Veldcamp in Nederlands na die Kaap gekom. Op 29 Oktober 1688 het hy getrou in Kaapstad met Ariaenje JACOBS, sy was 'n weesmeisie van Rotterdam. Sy was gedoop op 25 Desember 1670 en was die dogter van Jacob Abrahamse en Heyltjie Ariens.Ariaentjie Jacobs was een van 8 weesmeisies wat op die Skip Berg China na die Kaap gekom het. Sy was gedoop in die Gereformeerde Kerk in Rotterdam op 25 Desember 1670. Haar vader was Jacob die seun van Abraham en haar moeder was Heiltjie die dogter van Arie. Sy was 18 jaar oud toe sy van die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in Rotterdam na die Kaap gekom het.Johan van Deventer se navorsing meld dat, "Adriana Jacobs, dogter van Jacob Abrahamse en Heiltje Arijens, is gedoop te Rotterdam in Nederland op 25 Mei 1673. Haar ouer suster Ariaentje wat vroeer algemeen aangegee is as ons stammoeder, sterf op 2-jarige ouderdom en word op 16 November 1672 te Rotterdam begrawe. Op die ouderdom van 5 maande sterf Adriana se vader en op 8-jarige ouderdom sterf haar moeder. Sy word wees gelaat, met die adres Geertruidenberg wat sommer net "den Berg" genoem is. Sy beland in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in die Goudse Wagenstraat in Rotterdam, Nederland, en word die verkleinwoord Arijantgen of ook sommer Adriaantje genoem. In 1687 besluit die Here Sewentien om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur as vrouens vir die vryburgers. Saam met sewe ander weesmeisies vertrek sy op Saterdag 20 Maart 1688 vanuit Goere in Holland met die skip "Berg China" en arriveer in die Kaap op Woensdag 4 Augustus 1688."
    KINDERS
    b1 Jan Gerrit gedoop 21 Aug 1689, X 4 Okt 1711 Magdalena Brits
    b2 Jacomyntje gedoop 9 Maart 1692, X 27 Okt 1720 Cornelis van Rooyen, XX B Lindeque
    b3 Aletta gedoop 27 Jun 1700, X 8 Apr 1725 Pieter Willem Nel
    b4 Johanna Margaretha, X 14 Apr 1726 Philippus Snyman, XX 7 Apr 1735 Johan Heinrich Debes
    b5 Jacob * 1705, X 17 Apr 1735 Dorothea Coetzer, XX 15 Jan 1746 Martha Botha, XXX 13 Maart 1748 Hester van Jaarsveld
    b6 Geesje gedoop 18 Aug 1707
    b7 Hendrik * 1711b8 Gerrit gedoop Paarl 15 Mei 1713 (die moeder word nie genoem nie), X 30 Okt 1744 Rachel Joubert

    PLASE
    Gerrit het op Slot van die Paarl in Perdeberg geboer. Hy koop die plaas St Martyn in Noorder Paarl op 2 Augustus 1703 van Balthasar Weever. Van Deventer verkoop St Martyn op 30 Januarie 1709 aan Jacques Malan. Hierdie stamouers was die draers van 'n oorerflike siekte die volgende inligting het Anne Lehmkuhl vir my in Engels verskaf: Two of the founders of the European population in South Africa were Gerrit Jansz and his wife Ariaantje Jacobs. Pedigrees have traced the start of porphyria in South Africa to these two individuals. They had eight children, four of whom suffered from porphyria. A critical question asks which of the parents suffered from porphyria? Gerrit Jansz came from the Netherlands (the only other place in the world where porphyria is relatively common) and we know that Ariaantje's sister had a son with porphyria increasing the likelihood of Ariaantje having porphyria. It could even have been possible for both to have had it (What a coincidence!!!!) Draw a pedigree of Gerrit and Ariaantje's family. Assume for simplicity that only Gerrit suffered from porphyria and that he was heterozygous (Aa). Determine the genotypes for their eight children. Imagine that all of their children married non-affected individuals, and they each had four children. Determine the probability of Gerrit and Ariaantje's grandchildren having porphyria and assume that the probability expectations were met in reality. How many of Gerrit and Ariaantje's grandchildren suffer from porphyria? (Eight) If all the grandchildren married and had four children, how many of Gerrit and Ariaantje's great grandchildren would suffer from porphyria? (Sixteen)

    Sien Van Deventer D.& P. p.172. 29.10.1688 trou "Gerrit Janse van Veldcamp vryborger aan Stellenbos J.M. met Arriaantie Adriaanse van Rotteram J.D." Hy boer op Watervliet, Simondium
    Burger Stellenbosch

    DuPlooy.paf: Hy was afkomstig van die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Nederland. Vertrek as soldaat 19.12.1683 met die vaartuig 'de Juffrouw Anna" vanuit Texel na die Kaap. Hulle land 10.4.1684 aan die Kaap. Die eerste jare van sy verblyf het hy dan ook binne die kasteel deurgebring . Op 31.5.1686 word hy vryburger aan die Kaap.
    Gerrit Jansz, seun van Jan Pieters (Jan se zoon, vandaar Jansz), verlaat Veldcamp* (vermoedelik 'n soldatekamp), naby die stad Deventer, provinsie Overijssel in Holland op 11 Junie 1683 op pad na Amsterdam. Vandaar reis hy na die eiland Texel, hoofkantoor van die Verenigde Oos-Indiese Kompanjie om as soldaat diens te doen. Op 19 Desember 1683 vertrek hy met die skip "De Juffraauw Anna" na die Kaap de Goede Hoop. Jan Molenaer van de Reede, kaptein van die skip, woonagtig op Texel, was op reis na Batavia. Hulle land op 10 April 1684 aan die Kaap, 32 jaar en 4 dae na Jan van Riebeeck (aankoms 6 April 1652 in die Kaap), terwyl Simon van der Stel die goewerneur aan die Kaap was. Die eerste paar jaar doen hy diens as soldaat binne die kasteel en word vryburger op 31 Mei 1686. Daar word vermoed dat hy na hierdie datum die van "Van Deventer" (geografiese van) aangeneem het of toegeken is. Aan die begin van 1688 bevind hy hom nog steeds by die kasteel en besit 50 "schapen". In die huweliksakte verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz, van Veldcamp, vryburger uit Stellenbosch. By die doop van sy oudste dogter Jacomijntje in 1692 verwys hy na homself as Gerrit Jansz van Deventer. Sover bekend het slegs Gerrit Jansz hier in Suid-Afrika die van Van Deventer aangeneem. Gerrit Jansz van Deventer sterf sonder 'n testament en daar word 'n inventaris van sy besittings gemaak. KAB-MOOC-13/1/1-18-(1709-1711).Dr. H.T. Colenbrander gee in sy boek, De Afkomst der Boeren, aan dat Gerrit Jansz van Duitse afkoms was. Veldcamp kon dus, as sy stelling korrek is, in Duitsland gewees het.

    Gerrit married Adriana JACOBS on 29 Oct 1688 in Cape Town, Cape, South Africa. Adriana (daughter of Jacob ABRAHAMSE and Heiltje ARIENS) was born in 1670 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 25 Dec 1670 in Gereformeerde Kerk, Rotterdam, Netherlands; died on 16 Nov 1672 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 15.  Adriana JACOBS was born in 1670 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands; was christened on 25 Dec 1670 in Gereformeerde Kerk, Rotterdam, Netherlands (daughter of Jacob ABRAHAMSE and Heiltje ARIENS); died on 16 Nov 1672 in Rotterdam, Zuid Holland, Netherlands.

    Notes:

    Arrived at the Cape on board the Berg China
    Orphan from Rotterdam; baptised as daugther of Jacob Abrahamse
    and Heyltje Ariens
    Haar vader was Jacob die seun van Abraham (Jacob Abrahamse) en haar ma was Heiltjie (ook Maritje genoem) die dogter van Arie van die Schiedamse Dyk, Rotterdam. Die moeder is dus Heiltjie Ariens. So staan Ariaentjie tot die dood van haar vader bekend as Ariaentjie Jacobs, en daarna met die matroniem benaming Adriaentjie Ariens.
    Jacob Abrahamse en Heiltje (Maritje) Ariens is op 13.9.1654 in Hillegersberg getroud. Jacob is op 23.10.1672 vanuit die Sandstraat op die hoek van die Hallevemaanstraat begrawe en laat sy eggenote na, genoem Maritje Aberehamts, volgens die patroniem van haar man, met 7 kinders, waarvan die laaste na die dood van die vader gebore is. Op 31.9.1681 word die moeder ook begrawe. Sy is opgeneem in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis wat op daardie stadium in die "Goedse Wagenstraat" in Rotterdam geleë was. Dit was ongeveer 200 meter van die Schieldanse Dyk . In 1687 het die Here Sewentien, 'n komitee van sewentien direkteure wat deur die groot Nederlandse stede aangestel is om die Nederlandse Oos-Indiese Kompanjie te bestuur, besluit om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur. Hierdie meisies sou as vrouens aan die vryburgers gegee word.
    Ariaentjie vertrek 20.3.1688 vanuit Goere saam met nog 7 weesmeisies uit Holland met die seilskip "Berg China" na die Kaap die Goeie Hoop en arriveer 4.8.1688. Sy trou in dieselfde jaar op 29.10.1688 met Gerrit van Deventer.

    van Deventer.ged:Adriana Jacobs (Jacob se dogter), kom as weesmeisie met die naam Arijantgen Jacobs, van den Berg (Geertruidenberg), die Rotterdamse Weeshuis, van Rotterdam in die Kaap aan. Na die dood van haar moeder in 1681 toe sy 8 jaar oud was, word sy in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in die Goudse Wagenstraat in Rotterdam opgeneem. In 1687 besluit die Here Sewentien om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur as vrouens vir die vryburgers. Saam met sewe ander weesmeisies vertrek sy op 20 Maart 1688 vanuit Goere in Holland met die skip "Berg China" en arriveer volgens die dagregister van die Kaap, op 4 Augustus 1688 in die Kaap. Op 11 Augustus 1688 word hulle toegelaat om aan land te gaan en volgens mededeling word hulle op 12 Augustus 1688 buite en binne die kasteel gehuisves. Sy staan ook bekend as Adriaantje (Adrijaentje) wat waarskynlik haar noemnaam was. Sy trou onder die naam van Aryaentgen Adriaansse van Rotterdam. By die doop van haar oudste dogter Jacomijntje noem sy haarself as Ariantje Jacobsz. Na die dood van Gerrit Jansz, haar man, noem sy haarself Ariaantje Jacobsz van Rotterdam. Van haar voorsate is min bekend aangesien 'n bom tydens die oorlog in 1940 die argief van die weeshuis in Rotterdam waar sy gebly het, verwoes het.Daar word beweer dat Willemyntje Ariens de Wit, ook 'n weesmeisie van Rotterdam, die jonger suster van Adriana se moeder, Heijltje Arijens is. Willemyntje is met Detlef Biebow, 'n geneesheer uit Duitsland, op 24 Desember 1688 in Kaapstad getroud. Dit is Detlef en Willemyntje se seun Hendrik, wat gedoop is te Stellenbosch op 28 Mei 1690, wat eerste uitgeroep het "ik ben een afrikaner" en die woord Afrikaner gevestig het. Daar word verder vermoed dat dit Hendrik was wat op die skip Zuytdorp, wat die Kaap op 22 April 1712 velaat het, was. Hierdie skip was op pad na Java, die oostelike hoofkwartier van die HOIK. In 'n geweldige storm loop hierdie skip 500km noord van Perth in Australië op die rotse. Van die sowat 50 oorlewende mense het met die plaaslike stamme getrou en hulle lewe voortgesit in die baie afgesonderde en barra omgewing. In latere jare is die genetiese siekte porfirie (Porphyria Variegata) by die Aborigines gevind. Hierdie porfirie is dieselfde as wat hier in Suid-Afrika vermoedelik deur Adriana Jacobs, die stammoeder, die land ingebring is.
    From: Johan C Erasmus <2000@yebo.co.za> To: Subject: Re: [GenForum] Weesmeisies Date: 07 December 2000 12:03

    Piet
    Baie dankie vir jou moeite! Ek kon nie dink dat niemand al voorheen oor die ander weesmeisies bekommerdwas nie!
    Dit beklemtoon maar net weer die waarde van Familia met al sy waardevolle skat van navorsing wat reeds gedoen is.
    Ek wonder of al die lede daarvan bewus is dat - danksy Danie Viljoen - al die Familia's op 4 CDs beskikbaar is by GGSANoord-Transvaal-tak?

    Groete

    Johan Erasmus



    Aan al die lyslede,
    Na aanleiding van Piet se informasie, wil ek graag net die volgende vra? Ek het in my info dat Adriaantjie Jacobs (vader Jacob /Abrahamse/(Abrahamzoon) ) en Willemientje de Wit (vader onbekend) dieselfde moeder gehad het, nl Heiltje of Marijtje /Ariens/.Kan iemand dit dalk bevestig? Dan het ek ook dat Catharina van der Zee x 15 Augustus 1685 Coenrad Visser en xx 8 Mei 1689 Johannes Visser. ~16 Junie 1667 . Ook hier wil ek weet of iemand dit kan bevestig.

    Dankie

    Johan N



    Dr Heese meld in Familia 76/3 dat tien weesmeisies na die Kaap gestuur is. Hy het die trouboek van die Kaapse gemeente geraadpleeg en vind die volgende:
    1.. Willemijntjie Ariens de Wit trou met Detlev Biebouw. Hulle dogter Maria was die stammoeder van die familie De Vos.
    2.. Adriaantjie Jacobs trou met Gerrit van Deventer3.. Catharina van der Zee trou met Jan Visser en is stammoeder van hierdie vertakking van die Vissers.4.. Anna Eltrop van Kleef trou met Andries Beets, geen nageslag.5.. Engelte Cornelissen trou met Bart Koopman, hulle het kinders, maar die nageslag word nie voortgeplant nie.6.. Adriaante Janse trou met Albert Holder, het slegs twee dogters. > > Van die ander 4 meisies kon geen trouregistrasies opgespoor wordnie: > 1.. Adriana van Zon > 2.. Petronella van Capella > 3.. Judith van der Bout > 4.. Judith Verbeek. > Piet du Toit



    > Johan >



    From: Louw van Deventer
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] van Deventer/Conradie
    Date: 01 April 2001 10:14


    Colleen

    Hier volg die res.
    a1 Gerrit Jansz van Deventer (sv Jan Pieters & Maria Hoogeboom) - kinders(8) - * Nederland ong 1653 + Zoutendal,Stellenbosch 19-04-1728.Land op 10April 1684 aan die Kaap en doen diens as soldaat in die kasteel xStellenbosch 29-10-1688 Adriana Jacobs = 25-05-1673 Rotterdam,Nederland +
    Kaap > 1728.Sy was
    n weesmeisie en arriveer op 04-08-1688 met die skip
    "Berg China".


    Groete

    Louw.

    Volgens Pama I was sy 'n weesmeisie uit Rotterdam.
    Alt Name: Ariaentje (VAN DEN BERG)

    Arrived at the Cape on board the Berg China

    Orphan from Rotterdam; baptised as daugther of Jacob Abrahamse and Heyltje Ariens

    Haar vader was Jacob die seun van Abraham (Jacob Abrahamse) en haar ma was Heiltjie (ook Maritje genoem) die dogter van Arie van die Schiedamse Dyk, Rotterdam. Die moeder is dus Heiltjie Ariens. So staan Ariaentjie tot die dood van haar vader bekend as Ariaentjie Jacobs, en daarna met die matroniem benaming Adriaentjie Ariens.

    Jacob Abrahamse en Heiltje (Maritje) Ariens is op 13.9.1654 in Hillegersberg getroud. Jacob is op 23.10.1672 vanuit die Sandstraat op die hoek van die Hallevemaanstraat begrawe en laat sy eggenote na, genoem Maritje Aberehamts, volgens die patroniem van haar man, met 7 kinders, waarvan die laaste na die dood van die vader gebore is. Op 31.9.1681 word die moeder ook begrawe. Sy is opgeneem in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis wat op daardie stadium in die "Goedse Wagenstraat" in Rotterdam geleë was. Dit was ongeveer 200 meter van die Schieldanse Dyk . In 1687 het die Here Sewentien, 'n komitee van sewentien direkteure wat deur die groot Nederlandse stede aangestel is om die Nederlandse Oos-Indiese Kompanjie te bestuur, besluit om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur. Hierdie meisies sou as vrouens aan die vryburgers gegee word.

    Ariaentjie vertrek 20.3.1688 vanuit Goere saam met nog 7 weesmeisies uit Holland met die seilskip "Berg China" na die Kaap die Goeie Hoop en arriveer 4.8.1688. Sy trou in dieselfde jaar op 29.10.1688 met Gerrit van Deventer.

    van Deventer.ged:
    Adriana Jacobs (Jacob se dogter), kom as weesmeisie met die naam Arijantgen Jacobs, van den Berg (Geertruidenberg), die Rotterdamse Weeshuis, van Rotterdam in die Kaap aan. Na die dood van haar moeder in 1681 toe sy 8 jaar oud was, word sy in die Gereformeerde Burgerweeshuis in die Goudse Wagenstraat in Rotterdam opgeneem. In 1687 besluit die Here Sewentien om weesmeisies van die Rotterdamse Weeshuis na die Kaap te stuur as vrouens vir die vryburgers. Saam met sewe ander weesmeisies vertrek sy op 20 Maart 1688 vanuit Goere in Holland met die skip "Berg China" en arriveer volgens die dagregister van die Kaap, op 4 Augustus 1688 in die Kaap. Op 11 Augustus 1688 word hulle toegelaat om aan land te gaan en volgens mededeling word hulle op 12 Augustus 1688 buite en binne die kasteel gehuisves. Sy staan ook bekend as Adriaantje (Adrijaentje) wat waarskynlik haar noemnaam was. Sy trou onder die naam van Aryaentgen Adriaansse van Rotterdam. By die doop van haar oudste dogter Jacomijntje noem sy haarself as Ariantje Jacobsz. Na die dood van Gerrit Jansz, haar man, noem sy haarself Ariaantje Jacobsz van Rotterdam. Van haar voorsate is min bekend aangesien 'n bom tydens die oorlog in 1940 die argief van die weeshuis in Rotterdam waar sy gebly het, verwoes het.
    Daar word beweer dat Willemyntje Ariens de Wit, ook 'n weesmeisie van Rotterdam, die jonger suster van Adriana se moeder, Heijltje Arijens is. Willemyntje is met Detlef Biebow, 'n geneesheer uit Duitsland, op 24 Desember 1688 in Kaapstad getroud. Dit is Detlef en Willemyntje se seun Hendrik, wat gedoop is te Stellenbosch op 28 Mei 1690, wat eerste uitgeroep het "ik ben een afrikaner" en die woord Afrikaner gevestig het. Daar word verder vermoed dat dit Hendrik was wat op die skip Zuytdorp, wat die Kaap op 22 April 1712 velaat het, was. Hierdie skip was op pad na Java, die oostelike hoofkwartier van die HOIK. In 'n geweldige storm loop hierdie skip 500km noord van Perth in Australië op die rotse. Van die sowat 50 oorlewende mense het met die plaaslike stamme getrou en hulle lewe voortgesit in die baie afgesonderde en barra omgewing. In latere jare is die genetiese siekte porfirie (Porphyria Variegata) by die Aborigines gevind. Hierdie porfirie is dieselfde as wat hier in Suid-Afrika vermoedelik deur Adriana Jacobs, die stammoeder, die land ingebring is.

    From: Johan C Erasmus <2000@yebo.co.za> To: Subject: Re: [GenForum] Weesmeisies Date: 07 December 2000 12:03

    Piet
    Baie dankie vir jou moeite! Ek kon nie dink dat niemand al voorheen oor die ander weesmeisies bekommerd was nie!
    Dit beklemtoon maar net weer die waarde van Familia met al sy waardevolle skat van navorsing wat reeds gedoen is.
    Ek wonder of al die lede daarvan bewus is dat - danksy Danie Viljoen - al die Familia's op 4 CDs beskikbaar is by GGSANoord-Transvaal-tak?

    Groete

    Johan Erasmus

    Aan al die lyslede,

    Na aanleiding van Piet se informasie, wil ek graag net die volgende vra? Ek het in my info dat Adriaantjie Jacobs (vader Jacob /Abrahamse/(Abrahamzoon) ) en Willemientje de Wit (vader onbekend) dieselfde moeder gehad het, nl Heiltje of Marijtje /Ariens/.Kan iemand dit dalk bevestig? Dan het ek ook dat Catharina van der Zee x 15 Augustus 1685 Coenrad Visser en xx 8 Mei 1689 Johannes Visser. ~16 Junie 1667 . Ook hier wil ek weet of iemand dit kan bevestig.

    Dankie

    Johan N


    Dr Heese meld in Familia 76/3 dat tien weesmeisies na die Kaap gestuur is. Hy het die trouboek van die Kaapse gemeente geraadpleeg en vind die volgende:

    1.. Willemijntjie Ariens de Wit trou met Detlev Biebouw. Hulle dogter Maria was die stammoeder van die familie De Vos.
    2.. Adriaantjie Jacobs trou met Gerrit van Deventer
    3.. Catharina van der Zee trou met Jan Visser en is stammoeder van hierdie vertakking van die Vissers.
    4.. Anna Eltrop van Kleef trou met Andries Beets, geen nageslag.
    5.. Engelte Cornelissen trou met Bart Koopman, hulle het kinders, maar die nageslag word nie voortgeplant nie.
    6.. Adriaante Janse trou met Albert Holder, het slegs twee dogters.
    Van die ander 4 meisies kon geen trouregistrasies opgespoor wordnie:
    1.. Adriana van Zon
    2.. Petronella van Capella
    3.. Judith van der Bout
    4.. Judith Verbeek.

    Piet du Toit

    Johan

    From: Louw van Deventer
    To:
    Subject: Re: [GenForum] van Deventer/Conradie
    Date: 01 April 2001 10:14

    Colleen

    Hier volg die res.
    a1 Gerrit Jansz van Deventer (sv Jan Pieters & Maria Hoogeboom) - kinders (8) - * Nederland ong 1653 + outendal,Stellenbosch 19-04-1728.Land op 10April 1684 aan die Kaap en doen diens as soldaat in die kasteel x Stellenbosch 29-10-1688 Adriana Jacobs = 25-05-1673 Rotterdam,Nederland + Kaap > 1728.Sy was n weesmeisie en arriveer op 04-08-1688 met die skip "Berg China".

    Groete

    Louw.

    Volgens Pama I was sy 'n weesmeisie uit Rotterdam.
    Alt Name: Ariaentje (VAN DEN BERG)

    Christened:
    Alt Christening: 16 May 1673 Rotterdam

    Notes:

    Married:
    Van Deventer.ged gives Stellenbosch, Cape.

    Children:
    1. Jan Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b1 was born in 1689 in Veldcamp, Netherlands; was christened on 21 Aug 1689 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in in Cape, South Africa.
    2. Jacomijntje VAN DEVENTER, b2 was born in 1691; was christened on 9 Mar 1692 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died about 1737 in Cape, South Africa.
    3. 7. Altijn Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b3 was christened on 27 Jun 1700 in Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    4. Johanna Margaretha Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b4 was born about 1702 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 24 Jul 1701; died after 1757 in Cape, South Africa.
    5. Jacob Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b5 was born in Jul 1705 in Graaff-Reinet, Cape, South Africa; was christened in Jul 1705; died in in Cape, South Africa.
    6. Geesje Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b6 was born in 1707 in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 18 Aug 1707 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl); died in 1730 in Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa(Paarl).
    7. Hendrik Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b7 was christened on 1 Jan 1710; and died.
    8. Gerrit Gerritsz VAN DEVENTER, b8 was born in in Cape, South Africa; was christened on 14 May 1713 in Paarl, Cape, South Africa; died in 1757 in Cape, South Africa.


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