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Andries Gerhardus GREEFF

Andries Gerhardus GREEFF

Male 1803 - Yes, date unknown

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Andries Gerhardus GREEFF was christened on 16 Jan 1803 (son of Willem Hendrik GREEFF and Elizabeth Helena LATEGAN); and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Willem Hendrik GREEFF was born in in Stellenbosch, South Africa.; was christened on 10 Feb 1782 (son of Hendrik GREEFF and Beatrix LATEGAN); and died.

    Notes:

    Willlem Hendrik GREEFF (Person ID 306) + 05.11.1886 Oudtshoorn x Elisabeth Helena LATEGAN =28.03.1782Sy voorgeslagte het die plaas Hoogekraal rondom 1732 besit/ Klipheuwel in 1738 deur Matthys Greeff(Law Medicine and Place Names Vol II, p 296 Graham Botha Collected Works)
    (Thanks to Ronel Olivier)
    _____________________________________________________

    Willem married Elizabeth Helena LATEGAN on 20 Sep 1800. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Elizabeth Helena LATEGAN (daughter of Andries LATEGAN and Maria Susanna COETZER).
    Children:
    1. Hendrik Willem GREEFF was born in 1801; was christened on 18 Oct 1801; and died.
    2. 1. Andries Gerhardus GREEFF was christened on 16 Jan 1803; and died.
    3. Maria Susanna GREEFF was born on 4 Sep 1804 in Groot Drakenstein, District Paarl, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 7 Oct 1804; died on 5 Nov 1886 in Welgevonden, Wynandsrivier, Oudtshoorn, South Africa..
    4. Beatrix Dorothea Hendrina GREEFF was christened on 5 Oct 1806; and died.
    5. Willem Hendrik GREEFF was christened on 22 Feb 1809; and died.
    6. Elizabeth Helena GREEFF was born on 22 Nov 1810 in Warmwater, South Africa.; was christened on 22 Aug 1811; died on 15 Sep 1853 in Onverwacht.
    7. Anna Margaretha GREEFF was christened on 19 Jun 1814; and died.
    8. Hendrik Gabriel GREEFF was born in 1815 in Paarl, South Africa.; was christened on 23 Oct 1815; died on 4 Jan 1859 in Gamtoosberg, Wynands Rivier, Oudtshoorn, South Africa..
    9. Pieter Ludolph GREEFF was born on 21 Aug 1816 in Oudtshoorn, Cape, South Africa; was christened on 20 Oct 1816; died on 10 May 1873 in Adelaide, South Africa..


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Hendrik GREEFF was born in 1742; was christened on 9 Sep 1742 (son of Matthys GREEFF and Susanna VAN DEN HEEVER); died on 23 Feb 1808.

    Notes:

    Slawe, Misdaad en Straf (From the book: Reg en Onreg)
    Moses van Jamby het saam met mede-slawe van hom hul eienaar, Hendrik Greeff, se plaas by Paardeberg na die Kaap gedros omdat hulle na hul mening onskuldig gestraf was. In die Kaap is hulle almal gevang en het die "Caffer" hulle gegèsel voordat hulle na Greeff terug gestuur was.318Moses en sy mede drosters was hierna aangesê om koring te sny. Moses, wat nog nie van sy wonde herstel het nie, het nie kans gesien om die werk te doen nie en het uit vrees vir verdere straf, weer gedros - die keer na Wagenmakersvallei waar hy hom by die die slawe Valentyn en Dam, wat ook van Greeff af gedros het, aangesluit het.Moses se verblyf in die Wagenmakersvallei was van korte duur want hy is deur David en Marthinus, slawe van N.G. Heyns, gevang en na Greeff se skoonpa, Lategan, geneem. Moses het probeer ontvlug en David met 'n mes gesteek. Gelukkig vir Moses het David van sy wonde herstel en het Moses op die aanklag van "quetsing" tereggestaan. Sy straf was om gegèsel te word, gebrandmerk en vyftien jaar op Robbeneiland in kettings te werk.319Die makkers van Moses - Paul van Ternate, Valentyn van die Kaap en Carolus van Malabar - het nog 'n tyd lank in die Wagenmakersvallei rondgeswerf en van vrugte en kwepers gelewe wat hulle uit tuine gesteel het. Hier het Casper van Terra de Natal, die slaaf van die weduwee van Urbanus Sauermann, hom by hulle aangesluit omdat hy nie langer die slanery deur die weduwee se jongste seun kon verduur nie.320Anders as die ander slawe wat te voet na die binneland gedros het, het hulle twee perde by Greeff en Sauermann gesteel. Voorsien van biltong en twee ooie wat hulle aangejaag het, het hulle te perd na die Nuweveld vertrek. Hulle reis het voorspoedig verloop totdat hulle die plaas van Gerrit Putter in die Roggeveld bereik het en die Khoikhoi veewagter, Flink, ontmoet het. Hulle het aan die skaapwagter gesê dat hulle aan Gerrit Boot behoort en dat laasgenoemde hulle met 'n wa volg op pad na sy nuwe plaas verder Noord.321Flink het onraad vermoed en sy werkgewer daarvan gesê. Die nag het hulle die skaapkraal opgepas en die slawe aangekeer wat daar twee hamels wou steel. Van die slawe het weggekom en is eers by Klein Rietrivier gevang voor hulle na die landdros op Stellenbosch gebring is.Die vier slawe was aangekla van "aufugie", "complottery" veediefstal en tuindiefstal en veroordeel om gegèsel en gebrandmerk te word. Verder moes hulle vir vyftien jaar in kettings by hulle meesters werk.322Die besluit om die drosters na hulle eienaars terug te stuur dui daarop dat die regbank die eienaar se belange in ag geneem het. Drie van die vier slawe het aan Hendrik Greeff behoort en sy slaaf Moses van Jamby, was reeds vroeër die betrokke jaar vir 15 jaar dwangarbeid na Robbeneiland gevonnis.323 Boonop was sy slaaf Damon tydens hulle ontvlugting deur 'n kommando doodgeskiet.324 Die jong landbouer Greeff, wat in 1742 gebore en in 1765 getroud was,325 sou deur die verlies van nog drie van sy slawe nie die mas kon opkom nie.Die gevalle van drossery wat tot dusver genoem is, is verteenwoordigend van die algemene verskynsel van drossery in die agtiende eeu en word in die addendum weerspieël. Dit is egter belangrik om daarop te let dat die oorgrote meerderheid van die gevalle wat in die Sentenciën-reeks verskyn, te make het met meer as die enkele klag van drossery. Die rede hiervoor is die feit dat drosters gewoonlik binne 'n dag of twee gevind is en deur hulle eienaars self gestraf was. Daar is dus nie regsdokumente wat hierdie "eenvoudige" drossery beskryf nie en kan daar dan ook nie oor die omvang van hierdie verskynsel bespiegel word nie.

    Hendrik married Beatrix LATEGAN on 22 Sep 1765. Beatrix (daughter of Johann (Jan) Herman LATEGAN and Beatrix OLIVIER) was born in 1747; was christened on 10 Dec 1747 in Stellenbosch, South Africa.; died on 20 May 1809 in Paarl. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Beatrix LATEGAN was born in 1747; was christened on 10 Dec 1747 in Stellenbosch, South Africa. (daughter of Johann (Jan) Herman LATEGAN and Beatrix OLIVIER); died on 20 May 1809 in Paarl.
    Children:
    1. Hendrik GREEFF was born in 1766; was christened on 20 Jul 1766; died on 26 Feb 1855 in Cape Town, South Africa..
    2. Beatrix GREEFF was christened on 3 Jan 1768; and died.
    3. Susanna Anna GREEFF was christened on 25 Dec 1769; and died.
    4. Helena Hester GREEFF was christened on 24 Nov 1773; and died.
    5. Martha Maria GREEFF was christened on 16 Jan 1774; and died.
    6. Johannes Hermanus GREEFF was christened on 15 Jan 1775; and died.
    7. Andries Albertus GREEFF was born in 1777; was christened on 22 Jul 1777 in Stellenbosch, South Africa.; died in Jan 1832.
    8. Matthys Pieter GREEFF was christened on 26 Sep 1779; and died.
    9. Anna GREEFF was christened on 17 Dec 1780; and died.
    10. 2. Willem Hendrik GREEFF was born in in Stellenbosch, South Africa.; was christened on 10 Feb 1782; and died.
    11. Burgert GREEFF was christened on 1 Jan 1786; and died.
    12. Jacoba Beatrix GREEFF was christened on 28 Oct 1787; and died.
    13. Petrus Hendrik GREEFF was christened on 24 Oct 1790; and died.

  3. 6.  Andries LATEGAN was born in 1756; was christened on 28 Feb 1756 (son of Johann (Jan) Herman LATEGAN and Beatrix OLIVIER); and died.

    Andries married Maria Susanna COETZER on 18 Feb 1781. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Maria Susanna COETZER
    Children:
    1. Beatrix Aletta LATEGAN
    2. 3. Elizabeth Helena LATEGAN


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Matthys GREEFF was born in 1711 in Stellenbosch, South Africa.; was christened on 22 Nov 1711 (son of Matthys GREEFF and Sara COETZEE); and died.

    Matthys married Susanna VAN DEN HEEVER on 30 Sep 1736. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Susanna VAN DEN HEEVER (daughter of Jurgen Petersen VAN DEN HEEVER and Maria VAN HOEVEN).

    Notes:

    Maybe van den Hevel or van den Hoeven.

    Children:
    1. Matthys GREEFF was born in 1737; was christened on 11 Aug 1737; and died.
    2. Jurgen Hendrik GREEFF was christened on 29 Mar 1739; and died.
    3. Maria Jacoba GREEFF was born before 4 Dec 1740; was christened on 4 Dec 1740; and died.
    4. 4. Hendrik GREEFF was born in 1742; was christened on 9 Sep 1742; died on 23 Feb 1808.
    5. Adriaan GREEFF was born before 19 Jul 1744; was christened on 19 Jul 1744; and died.
    6. Francois Petrus GREEFF was born before 2 Oct 1746; was christened on 2 Oct 1746; died in 1795.
    7. Sara Elizabeth GREEFF was born before 1 Sep 1748; was christened on 1 Sep 1748; and died.
    8. Elizabeth Margaretha GREEFF was born before 10 May 1750; was christened on 10 May 1750; and died.
    9. Gerrit Jacobus GREEFF was born before 16 Jan 1752; was christened on 16 Jan 1752; and died.
    10. Susanna Maria GREEFF was born in 1755; was christened on 2 Mar 1755; died in 1773.

  3. 10.  Johann (Jan) Herman LATEGAN

    Notes:

    He was Johann Hermaun, of Billerbeck in North-Rhine, Westphalia, Germany. Arrived at the Cape in 1735, adopted the name Jan Herman Lategaan.

    Johann married Beatrix OLIVIER on 15 Jul 1742. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Beatrix OLIVIER (daughter of Jan OLIVIER and Helena BURGER).

    Notes:

    I believe that she was widowed and remarried. See correspondence:
    Ek antwoord op jou brief, wat ek volledig hier aanhaal:In Drakenstein se Doopregister sit ek met die volgende inskrywing:Helena Hester GREEFF = 24.11.1771 te Drakentein dv Hendrik GREEFF en (kyk mooi) Beatrix OLIVIER doopgetuies:Andries GREEFF (c6) en Helena VAN ZYLVolgens De V & P is Helena Hester GREEFF = 24.11.1771 die dogter van Hendrik GREEFF en Beatrix LATEGAN Daar is wel later kinders vir hierdie GREEFF x LATEGAN egpaar gebore so daar was so 'n huwelik
    My Vraag:1: Watter Hendrik GREEFF was Helena Hester se vader2 : Is die Olivier huwelik bekend aan ander navorsers (die beeld is baie duidelik daar kan geen fout wees nie)ns: Daar word nie in die regsiter genoem dat die verbintenis buite egtelik was nie.
    3: Wie was die ouers van hierdie Beatrix OLIVIER
    Byvoorbaat dank
    Ronel Olivier
    Wellington SA
    Navorsing oor Olivier's in SAAntwoorde op jou drie vrae:1. b8c4 Hendrik Greeff, geb 1729. (Hy word in SAG aangegee as nooit getroud nie)2. Hierdie huwelik is tot dusver totaal onbekend aan vorige navorsers, want ek vermoed hy is met die weduwee van Jan Herman Lategan, Beatrix Lategan (geb Olivier) getroud, ongeveer 1763 - 1770. Hulle het blykbaar net een kind gehad, jou Helena Hester Greeff.3. Beatrix Olivier se ouers was Jan Olivier = 7-11-1683 en Helena Burger = 8-7-1701. Klik op die skakel:Klik op name en pyltjies vir meer inligting.Beide ouers van Helena Hester Greeff is verkeerd aangegee op hierdie kwartierstaat. Die vrou wat as haar ouma, Beatrix Olivier, verskyn, was haar moeder. HH Greeff is uit 'n tweede huwelik met Hendrik Greeff (b8c4) gebore, skat ek.Ek vermoed dat hierdie kind verkeerdelik in SAG verskyn as die kind van Hendrik Greeff en Beatrix Lategan. My vermoede word versterk omdat Helena Hester Greeff op 24-11-1773 gedoop is, en die volgende kind van Hendrik Greeff en Beatrix Lategan was Martha Maria Greeff, is gedoop minder as twee maande later, op 15-1-1774. Vir my is dit onwaarskynlik dat een ouerpaar twee kinders binne twee maande sal doop. Kyk mooi na die reeks doopdatums vir die kinders deur op die skakel te klik:Hendrik Greeff (b8c4) was die enigste hubare Hendrik Greeff wat met die weduwee van Johann (Jan) Herman Latagan, Beatrix Olivier, kon trou. Hier is 'n tabel van al die Greeffs in die land, op daardie stadium. Hendrik Greeff (b8c4) is persoon nommer 15, en hy verskyn twee keer in die ahnentafel:__________________________________________Ek sal dit baie hoog op prys stel as jy vir my 'n foto van die doop inskrywing, met volledige besonderhede en verwysings sal epos assblief.Kom kuier asseblief by die Greeff familie webblad, www.Greeff.info Ek vermoed nou dat die eerste kontak tussen die Greeff en Lategan families die huwelik tussen Hendrik Greeff en die weduwee Lategan (Beatrix Olivier) was. Ek heg vir jou iets aan oor die Lategaan Greeff huwelike wat later gevolg het. Ek hoop jy geniet dit!
    Groete vanuit Londen,Francois Greeff_______________________________________________________________Ek het vergeet om te kommentaar op die feit dat die twee getuies by die doop Andries Greeff en HELENA van Zyl was. Andries Greeff word ook in die ahnentafel genoem. Andries is nommer 17 in die ahnentafel, die broer van Hendrik Greeff. Andries is op 20 Mei 1863 met HESTER van Zyl getroud.Ek weet nie wie HELENA van Zyl was nie. Ek vermoed dat sy die moeder van HESTER van Zyl was en dat die kind om een of ander rede na haar vernoem is. Omdat Andries en Beatrix ten tye van hierdie doop beide in hulle veertigs was, kan dit moontlik wees dat al vier die kind se grootouers reeds oorlede is.Kyk weer:Ek raai ook dat Beatrix Olivier se naam by haar tweede huwelik as Beatrix Lategan opgegee word en dit dra by tot die algemene verwarring.Ek sal oor die volgende paar maande die oorspronklike brondokumente raadpleeg en kyk of ek reg is.
    Groete,
    Francois Greeff

    Children:
    1. Helena Geertruy LATEGAN
    2. Jan Hendrik LATEGAN was born in 1745; was christened on 12 Sep 1745; and died.
    3. 5. Beatrix LATEGAN was born in 1747; was christened on 10 Dec 1747 in Stellenbosch, South Africa.; died on 20 May 1809 in Paarl.
    4. Willem LATEGAN was born in 1750; was christened on 16 Aug 1750; and died.
    5. Anna LATEGAN was born in 1752; was christened on 2 Apr 1752; died in 1814.
    6. Willem LATEGAN was born in 1753; was christened on 28 Oct 1753; and died.
    7. 6. Andries LATEGAN was born in 1756; was christened on 28 Feb 1756; and died.
    8. Martha LATEGAN was born in 1758; was christened on 15 Oct 1758; and died.
    9. Pieter Hermanus LATEGAN was born in 1762; was christened on 4 Jul 1762; and died.


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